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you have any audio books out yet you

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know I don't Jane people have asked me

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about about that and as soon as I get a

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block of time I think I'm gonna go ahead

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and start doing audiobooks and being the

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the actual leader of them when we record

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them you know many many years ago I

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actually did audiobooks before there was

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such a thing as an audiobook I did a

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voice narration for a series of

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educational text books this is back so

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many years ago you know many of our

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listeners weren't born by them and I

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don't know whatever happened to the

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company I think they sort of went out of

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business they were there before their

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time yeah it's kind of like garage

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Radium you know until we got on the gcn

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network I guess I can call my radio

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shows garage radio the tech night out

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live and of course the power cast we

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were doing it online

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not from my garage but one of our

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listeners who is really critical of us

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said you know you sound like you're

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doing this in the bathroom now I have to

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tell you I am NOT in a bathroom I know

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Chris is not in the bathroom or am I

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wrong not know I'm not in the bathroom

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I know how few guests who should have

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been in the bathroom and not come out to

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do yeah but we won't go there gene oh no

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not not with a 10-foot Pole anyway on

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our relaunch of the

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para cast last week I got to talking

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about government intervention in UFO and

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paranormal studies of course we think of

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you know maybe some of the people in the

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UFO field are government agents but more

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direct some of the things that you've

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explored such as in San Luis Valley do

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you think that maybe they represent some

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kind of government intervention I'm

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talking about things like cattle

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mutilations stuff like that well it's a

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very complicated scenario I think in

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general and specifically in the San Luis

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Valley a it's it's a whole melting pot

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and potpourri of different divergent

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things going on I have always had a

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sense though in all the years that I've

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investigated the area that that the

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government is very active there I've had

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several reports for instance of what

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appears to be conventional military jets

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in dogfights were chasing after what

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appeared to be anomalous non-ballistic

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objects including one really strange

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point report rather where an ambulance

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driver and assistant was stopped their

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ambulance and pulled over and saw a 16 I

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believe whatever they are National Guard

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plane as the f15 swooped down and

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actually it appeared to fire on this

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object and they in the report they said

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that they heard ricochets from their

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vantage point now I'm not sure what to

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make of a report like that the witnesses

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are I think very believable but it just

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gives you an indication that that there

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is some sort of interaction going on

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between the phenomenon and the

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government of the military in the San

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Luis Valley and this is just tip of the

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iceberg you know we've had tons of

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convoys reported during sighting waves

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military aircraft and most specifically

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helicopters have been seen in and around

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mutilation sites and the list goes on so

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I think we can't factor by any stretch

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the military out of this or the

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government out of this equation right

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but does that also convey the

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possibility that maybe the government is

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involved in a more direct fashion such

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as staging these events or some of them

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at least we think so I think it it does

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actually last

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to that level I related on the the

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previous episode of seeing a three c-130

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one transport planes wingtip to wingtip

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with a series of lights that made it

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look like it was a single object so I

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think there is a lot of sleight of hand

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psyops type experimentation psychotronic

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weapons platforms that are either I

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think conventional arrays or

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non-conventional arrays that they're

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testing to see how people respond to

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them see how effectively our is a

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psychological weapon and I wonder maybe

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some of the early UFO abductions may

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have actually been caused by some sort

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of government intervention psyops

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whatever because unfortunately some

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elements of our government have been

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known to experiment with normal people

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and do strange things psychological

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damage can certainly be one of them may

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be feeding them drugs feeding them post

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hypnotic suggestions you get the picture

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absolutely and we do know from from what

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has been revealed over the years about

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particular MKULTRA programs like project

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artichoke and others that the government

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has been very interested in in getting

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involved with unsuspecting victims if

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you will and and utilizing them for

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whatever nefarious purposes that they

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have yes you know we have to wonder

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what's going on here but does that also

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indicate that a fair portion of what's

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been going on in the UFO field you know

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what this is still could have been a

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representation of the government playing

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tricks I mean if you remember that book

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that Greg Bishop wrote with regard to

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what happened to Paul bennewitz where he

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was the victim of some kind of

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government shenanigans and pretty well

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drove him crazy

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yeah and that's I think that is a the

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most glaring and probably best

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documented case we have of actual direct

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government involvement in disinformation

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misinformation to the point where like

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you just said they literally drove the

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man crazy and obviously some people

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don't need much of a push to be driven

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crazy

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I think Benowitz was a little tweaky to

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with but knowing someone that grew up

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went to school with his son and knew the

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family fairly well I doubt seriously

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based on my own investigation of the

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bennewitz case that that bennewitz would

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have been ended up in a mental hospital

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and dying too soon if you know the

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airport's intelligence officers and

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other operatives had not gotten in got

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involved in his case and and messed with

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his mind played with his head I mean

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they'd literally go in and move his

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furniture around and stuff and and

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really I mean if somebody did that to me

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enough times I guess I get kind of

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paranoid myself but but I think he was a

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little bit kind of fragile mentally and

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there was some some tick there that they

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were able to make hate to use word but

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exploit the situation like that they

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knew they had somebody who might be

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borderline and because he was Bordeaux

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on they were able to push him over the

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edge a little bit more well I think I

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instinct on this was that was not their

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intent to drive the man crazy I think

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that they just did too good of a job

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playing with his head and and

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unfortunately he was he was driven to be

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committed of course the person who we

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might blame on this is Bill Moore who

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was a UFO researcher but also someone

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who admitted being involved in

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government disinformation you kind of

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wondering hey you know what I'd like to

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see what he's doing now maybe we should

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try to get him on the show and see

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speaking of people who were going to

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have on the show

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you brought your publisher with you I

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did it's it's a real special treat David

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is very very busy on the David Hatcher

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Childers is one of our I I feel are real

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treasures in the realm of diffusion

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astark e ology would you please define

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that I mean I'm looking at that word and

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my brain is spinning okay of course I'm

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didn't think that my brain spins

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constantly whether I'm probing into the

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subject or not well you have a good

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gyroscope so that's okay I'm on my new

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iPhone but I don't have a new iPhone

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folks so

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you know anyway David is is one of a

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handful of people that you could really

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literally call a real-life Indiana Jones

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he spent almost 40 years traveling the

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world investigating the megalithic sites

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that can't be explained and basically if

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you want to define diffuseness

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archaeology I think it's the whole idea

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that ancient civilizations were not that

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did not spring up isolated from one

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another

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conventional archeology pretty much says

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that these great civilizations around

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the world we're not connected in any any

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way shape or form in other words you

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know the Incas did not know about the

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Africans who didn't know about the

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Harappan culture who didn't know about

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the you know the ancient Chinese well

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explore that in more detail with David

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Hatcher Childress coming up next on the

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this is the bare cast you never know

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welcome back to the para cast and it's

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my distinct pleasure to have our special

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guest today David Hatcher Childress on

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the program and before we get into

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technology of the gods and some of the

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Grilli very riveting subject matter that

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we're going to be covering today

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I've always wondered David how did you

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ever get involved where did your

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interest spring from to get you it is so

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involved as a major mover and shaker in

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diffusion star theology how did you what

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was your inspiration to get involved

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well that's a good question um I was

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born in France actually although my

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parents are Americans and uh lived the

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first three years of my life in France

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my parents like to travel I really grew

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up in in Colorado actually my parents

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really enjoyed going to unusual places

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members of kid just go down to Mexico

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City in climbing the pyramids there we

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went to England into Stonehenge we went

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to Greece and Turkey and a lot of that

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plus just kind of being a pretty

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outdoorsy guy it was quite the skier and

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camper and later I got into technical

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mountain climbing and stuff like that

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and I just really got interested in

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ancient history travelled quite a bit

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with my family and even you know just as

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a kid growing up in the 60s watching

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Jonny Quest cartoons and later you know

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kung-fu and and shows like that just got

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me really excited about traveling around

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the world going to the Himalayas gave

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tattling up you know remote tributaries

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of the Amazon River or something looking

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for Atlantis I've always had an interest

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in paranormal things of everything from

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UFOs and then ESP to to Bigfoot and

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other cryptozoology things and in later

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in life I got more and more into that I

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really started getting into ancient

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cultures nikola tesla's press all ants

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and even though all the stuff about

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ancient vamanos and airships and and and

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even though the ancient aliens kind of

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thing with Erich von Daniken's Chariots

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of the Gods that's a book that I read in

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high school and I really devoured a lot

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of that kind of material and then I was

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fortunate to actually begin traveling

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around the world in the mid 70s I

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actually was going to University of

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Montana but I dropped out and I became

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an English teacher in Taiwan but I'd

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always wanted to go to the Himalayas

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diviner resulta to Tibet and I was able

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to do that and once I got going I well I

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never stopped or look back you know I

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have a very backhanded question here

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something that may surprise it because

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has nothing to do necessarily with any

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event but are you familiar with an

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ancient astronaut researchers by the

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name of Yona Fortner no no I'm not okay

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well my onna wrote under the name of YN

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erbyn ah ha run for saucer News Jim

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Mosley's magazine back in the late 50s

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and early 60s talking about

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extraterrestrial ism as an historical

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doctrine and so what was he talking

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about obviously he was talking about

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ancient astronauts the gods of the Bible

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being et and that's of course way ahead

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of erich von daniken of course other

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people who explored that were people

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like Desmond Leslie and Brigitte Laporte

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trench did you ever read their writings

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yes I did and you know another guy along

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those lines too early writer on long a

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subject was um George lund Williamson

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yes or some losers kind of controversial

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wasn't he

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well and he was and but he was one of

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the early guys who went down to South

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America and looked for silly lost cities

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of the Incas looked at many of the giant

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megalithic walls and things down there

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that are often attributed to the Incas

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but he early on you know and and I agree

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with him that yeah these things are you

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know amazing walls that were built by

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yeah like extraterrestrials or some kind

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of Atlanteans with high technology but

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he was writing about that

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you know mid-fifties a good a good 15

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years or so before say era Clondalkin

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well this is an important point to raise

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when you look at these indications of

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advanced technology in ancient times is

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it the fact that an advanced

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civilization developed here and then for

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whatever reason was lost because of a

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cataclysm because of their own warfare

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or whatever things that we fear might

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happen to our civilization or was there

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an ET involvement or perhaps both well

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right and I I guess I tend to go for

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they from both perhaps both type

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scenario I'm a believer in ancient

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civilizations that were advanced call

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them whatever you want Atlantis or

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something

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ancient Rama Empire and that there were

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these cataclysms and things like that

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but also I think that there is this

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alien intervention-- kind of thing

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happening I believe that the moon is

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some kind of artificial satellite around

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their planet that's older than yours

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okay now we're getting into an

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interesting topic okay so the moon is a

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satellite it's a construction right one

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of my books and I'm the author of over

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20 books was a book that came out the

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90s and it still sells well today we get

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a DVD on it in in fact called

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extraterrestrial archaeology and a lot

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of that book is really about mysteries

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of the moon how strange the moon is some

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of the weird things that NASA discovered

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about the moon and and much of that it

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seems to be still suppressed today yeah

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and the Russians yeah right I mean there

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are obelisk on the moon there are

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pyramids pyramids and dome cities other

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weird towers there okay now offices gets

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gets us into Richard Hoagland territory

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okay so we're in Richard Hoagland

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territory we've opened that door and

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actually

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be open that door a couple of weeks ago

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when Walter Bosley was on the show so

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let's enter that door and now looking at

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obelisks and other evidence of advanced

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stuff going on on the moon why would you

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say it's not just evidence of 80 or us

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if we were more advanced than we are now

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visiting the moon rather than it being a

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construction you know I mean that's a

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good question and if there are

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structures on the moon and even if the

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moon is occupied you know it's not

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necessarily by ETS I've had people tell

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me that Atlanteans are on the moon

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ancient and the ancient humans the whole

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idea behind that would be similar to the

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Atlanteans the Lemurians at Mount Shasta

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kind of scenario you have these ideas

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that these Vimanas from the ancient

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Atlantis and the Rama Empire are still

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being used by these you know even so you

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guys would be very old or they have

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these secret communities there in Tibet

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they're in secret places in South

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America they're in Mount Shasta and all

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they have this ancient technology it's

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thousands of years old even tens of

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thousands of years old they still have

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this ancient craft the crafts are

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thousands of years old they fly them

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around they have these secret bases and

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in theory they you're on the moon as

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well so if you could actually get to

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some secret city on the moon or

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something maybe these people may be

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humans and that goes back into the whole

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idea of like who we are I mean who we

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are on the next segment co-host

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christopher o'brien our guest David

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Hatcher Childress you're in the para

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cast

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co-host christopher o'brien our guest

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David Hatcher Childress and author and a

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publisher and we're exploring not just

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ancient astronauts but evidence that may

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exist today about advanced civilizations

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having been on the moon and maybe the

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moon might be artificial oK we've

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explored the moon we've seen all this

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stuff where is the evidence it might be

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an artificial construct well according

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to NASA a couple unusual things happen

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during the Apollo missions one is that

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the the moon vibrated and rang like a

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bell when the ascent stage of a lunar

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module crashed onto the moon and they

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had left some seismic material so the

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moon was vibrating there's a theory

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among some speculators that that the

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moon's is Hollow and that it's been

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artificially put into an orbit around

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our planet was called unusual things

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there

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our load is unusually large for our

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planet supposedly and it's in a very

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peculiar orbit we all know about how the

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Dark Side of the Moon is it never can be

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seen from the earth and that the moon

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has kind of a rotation that keeps the

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backside always away from the earth that

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is that's unusual to know other moons

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and solar system do that but even

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stranger into position of the moon

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around our planet and how far away or

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how close it is to us it's a little bit

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unusual that when the when our moon

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transits the disk of the Sun and for a

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lunar eclipse and you have to be a

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certain place on the on the planet to

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actually see the full lunar eclipse but

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if you are what you see is it basically

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a perfect eclipse of the Sun by our moon

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and as the disk of the moon transits the

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disk of the Sun the disk of the moon

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perfectly eclipses the Sun and it if not

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more or not less covers the disk of the

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Sun just you know for like three or four

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minutes but that is very strange yeah

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what are the odds well right you see if

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the moon was a little bit closer to the

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earth it would more than cover the disk

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of the Sun if it was just a little bit

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farther away from the earth it would

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less then eclipse the Sun but our moon

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is in such a position that it not more

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at or not less but perfectly eclipses

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the Sun and covers the disk and you can

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just see the corona of the Sun from the

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during the Eclipse

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the moon would be arbitrarily in an

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orbit like that is the odds are like

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00:30:21,950 --> 00:30:19,379
ünzile yin to one so that tends to

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indicate us two to me and two other

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00:30:30,499 --> 00:30:25,409
researchers that yeah the moon has been

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put in a very purposeful special orbit

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00:30:37,369 --> 00:30:34,080
around the earth in my mind of the earth

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is like the eye on the side of that Alan

681
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:39,690
Parsons song and that eye in the sky I'm

682
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looking at you if you were an alien race

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and you're looking for the perfect base

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to watch our planet it would be the moon

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I'm just right there and with the kind

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of technology of spaceships and things

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that can move around our solar system in

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the universe I mean to come from the

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from the moon to the earth very easy so

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00:31:09,980 --> 00:31:07,649
here's the idea of an artist that the

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00:31:12,769 --> 00:31:09,990
moon's even artificial and according to

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NASA early on they maintained their

693
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:15,269
studies of the moon that it was older

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than the earth so early series of the

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00:31:22,220 --> 00:31:20,159
moon that had come from the Pacific

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Ocean that was a popular theory in the

697
00:31:26,749 --> 00:31:24,629
early fifties Mia broke off from the

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00:31:29,299 --> 00:31:26,759
Earth's that it broke off right if it

699
00:31:31,010 --> 00:31:29,309
does the moon our moon and the earth are

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00:31:33,770 --> 00:31:31,020
like twin satellites of the

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part of the earth Nance's basically said

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00:31:37,820 --> 00:31:35,790
that's wrong and the moon's not part of

703
00:31:40,550 --> 00:31:37,830
our earth it's not even from our solar

704
00:31:46,370 --> 00:31:40,560
system at one point they said the moon

705
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:46,380
too is full of rare metals titanium and

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00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:49,440
and millennium and things like that in

707
00:31:54,050 --> 00:31:52,050
fact the kind of aerospace metals that

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00:31:57,140 --> 00:31:54,060
are rare and valuable the moon is very

709
00:31:59,330 --> 00:31:57,150
full that if for some reason you had a

710
00:32:02,330 --> 00:31:59,340
mining concession on the moon right now

711
00:32:04,220 --> 00:32:02,340
you'd be your hand you'd be rich you'd

712
00:32:06,140 --> 00:32:04,230
be mining all these rare metals and

713
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:06,150
there's indication that there is mining

714
00:32:11,270 --> 00:32:09,210
activity on our mode now it's

715
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:11,280
interesting too that the idea of this

716
00:32:16,100 --> 00:32:13,250
missing planet and I talked about this

717
00:32:20,630 --> 00:32:16,110
and in extra transfer archaeology as

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00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:20,640
well held back in the early 1830 this

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00:32:26,260 --> 00:32:23,450
German astronomer and mathematician

720
00:32:29,030 --> 00:32:26,270
named was bowed and he came up with this

721
00:32:32,170 --> 00:32:29,040
mathematical law called bodes law and

722
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:32,180
it's a it's like a logarithmic

723
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:34,050
mathematical theorem that shows that as

724
00:32:38,810 --> 00:32:36,090
you go from the Sun there would be a

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00:32:41,030 --> 00:32:38,820
planet at certain distances as you go

726
00:32:43,370 --> 00:32:41,040
out from the Sun and that was called

727
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:43,380
Bose law and when he applied it to our

728
00:32:49,250 --> 00:32:47,250
solar system it pretty much fit our

729
00:32:51,500 --> 00:32:49,260
solar system of where he said there

730
00:32:53,930 --> 00:32:51,510
should be a planet there was a planet

731
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:53,940
except in one case and that was that in

732
00:32:58,940 --> 00:32:56,370
both law there should be a planet

733
00:33:02,690 --> 00:32:58,950
between Mars and Jupiter

734
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:02,700
but what's there instead is the asteroid

735
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:06,330
belt any of all these rocks in space so

736
00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:08,610
there's the Sodoma theory too where you

737
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:12,720
have this missing planet and there's

738
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:15,810
speculation that this planets been given

739
00:33:23,630 --> 00:33:20,570
different names was was somehow blew up

740
00:33:26,780 --> 00:33:23,640
either it accidentally blew up or the

741
00:33:29,030 --> 00:33:26,790
people on that planet blew up their own

742
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:29,040
planet and destroyed it

743
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:31,290
and left basically a bunch of rocks in

744
00:33:37,220 --> 00:33:34,290
space these asteroids now one way to

745
00:33:40,490 --> 00:33:37,230
create a hollow moon as we're talking

746
00:33:44,270 --> 00:33:40,500
about and it's a good way to imagine

747
00:33:46,430 --> 00:33:44,280
this thing is like the Star Wars movies

748
00:33:48,890 --> 00:33:46,440
and the Death Star being built in your

749
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:48,900
early films I mean it's kind of what the

750
00:33:52,730 --> 00:33:50,250
Moon is here like artificial

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00:33:56,090 --> 00:33:52,740
construction now how might you make

752
00:33:59,630 --> 00:33:56,100
something like that I speculate in my

753
00:34:01,850 --> 00:33:59,640
book that you if you need some super

754
00:34:04,670 --> 00:34:01,860
technology of course but if you went out

755
00:34:08,180 --> 00:34:04,680
to the asteroid belt or something like

756
00:34:11,570 --> 00:34:08,190
that took a big an asteroid as you can

757
00:34:14,930 --> 00:34:11,580
and then basically with your you know

758
00:34:17,150 --> 00:34:14,940
super science and and you know beam

759
00:34:19,900 --> 00:34:17,160
weapons or something you melt that

760
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:19,910
asteroid like a glassblower

761
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:24,570
takes a blob of molten glass and then

762
00:34:30,260 --> 00:34:26,610
you inflate it and just like a glass

763
00:34:33,590 --> 00:34:30,270
blower blows a big glass ball

764
00:34:37,700 --> 00:34:33,600
you could inflate some giant asteroid

765
00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:37,710
and like a glass blowers going boy those

766
00:34:45,020 --> 00:34:40,320
glass ball you could create what

767
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:45,030
essentially would be a round melted sort

768
00:34:50,810 --> 00:34:48,210
of moon similar to what we have and the

769
00:34:54,919 --> 00:34:50,820
inside would be hollow and would be like

770
00:34:58,940 --> 00:34:54,929
this giant spaceship it could then and

771
00:35:01,400 --> 00:34:58,950
Theory be hauled off to a planet Mars or

772
00:35:04,100 --> 00:35:01,410
earth or something put into orbit around

773
00:35:07,700 --> 00:35:04,110
it and in fact some kind of space base

774
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:07,710
could be built inside of this artificial

775
00:35:11,330 --> 00:35:08,970
moon that you've created

776
00:35:13,790 --> 00:35:11,340
okay this raises so many fascinating

777
00:35:16,550 --> 00:35:13,800
possibilities I can't even begin to

778
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:16,560
start how do we go about proving this do

779
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:18,450
we have to get man to go back to the

780
00:35:23,810 --> 00:35:21,090
moon and do a little digging as it were

781
00:35:27,290 --> 00:35:23,820
well I would say so and I mean that

782
00:35:31,070 --> 00:35:27,300
would be ideal I'm always thrilled when

783
00:35:33,890 --> 00:35:31,080
I hear about any efforts to go back to

784
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:33,900
the moon whether it's from India or the

785
00:35:39,590 --> 00:35:37,050
Europeans or China or Japan the United

786
00:35:40,850 --> 00:35:39,600
States pay a lot of attention to that

787
00:35:44,270 --> 00:35:40,860
and I

788
00:35:46,930 --> 00:35:44,280
it makes you wonder - I certainly do why

789
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:46,940
America hasn't returned to the moon

790
00:35:52,220 --> 00:35:49,170
what's up with our own space program

791
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:52,230
this way I'm honestly a little bit

792
00:35:59,090 --> 00:35:55,650
suspicious of our space program what

793
00:36:00,800 --> 00:35:59,100
NASA says they're doing and and it it

794
00:36:02,810 --> 00:36:00,810
seems strange to me that we're not

795
00:36:07,220 --> 00:36:02,820
making this effort to go back to the

796
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:07,230
moon and in theory I almost wonder in a

797
00:36:13,550 --> 00:36:10,050
way whether we've been warned not to go

798
00:36:15,950 --> 00:36:13,560
back there or even a flipside of that

799
00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:15,960
would be that we are already going back

800
00:36:20,330 --> 00:36:18,000
to the moon but we keep it a secret this

801
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:20,340
was other things of course that we were

802
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:22,050
talking about in some other episodes the

803
00:36:26,750 --> 00:36:24,810
possibility of whether or not we have a

804
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:26,760
secret space program and that were

805
00:36:31,970 --> 00:36:29,610
already on the moon and may be planning

806
00:36:34,340 --> 00:36:31,980
to get to Mars but it's all being

807
00:36:36,980 --> 00:36:34,350
covered up with black projects we'll get

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more with David Hatcher Childress in a

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moment a secret space program this has

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been speculated we know of course that

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spy satellites are being launched this

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is a lot more complicated so David how

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can we possibly prove whether or not

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there's a secret space program and is it

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possible that the secret space program

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is supplanting the real space program or

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the one that the public is acquainted

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with well as far as I know there is a

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genuine alternate space program and that

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is one run by the military and the

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there those launches are not ever

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covered by the news you don't see them

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the military doesn't announce them they

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they put stuff up in space they put up

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satellites and we're never told and it's

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it's a military secret so something like

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that it has been acknowledged by the

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government and the big always question

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is with all these things as well how

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expensive is it and what are they really

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doing the interesting thing along these

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lines Jean and Chris is that I spend

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quite a bit of time and in London every

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year and

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units last few months I was living there

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and reading the papers and there's a guy

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he's quite famous in the UK he's a young

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man and he has Asperger's syndrome

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and he is the famous character who

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hacked into the Pentagon computers the

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three or four years ago and this is Gary

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McKinnon Gary McKinnon anyway okay now

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this was strange before you go into all

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the ramifications of what he did which

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is very important what I wondered about

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is why would they want to not just

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extradite him here but basically stick

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him in jail for years and years and

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years as if he murdered somebody so

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let's go to the background you're right

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I mean the green McKenna case is really

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interesting and it gets a small amount

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of attention here in the US but in the

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UK it's he's major news and just reading

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of you know Times of London every day

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which I do when I dare this guy pops up

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in in their papers and stuff and what he

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did was he he's kind of like a semi

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autistic genius and he lives with his

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mother he's a super computer hacker he

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has Asperger's syndrome and a employee

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of mine had that too and then and people

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like that are often associated apt there

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they but they could be very brilliant

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about in certain things yeah the point

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out to our listeners by the way on a TV

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show called Boston Legal there was a

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character reportedly had Asperger's

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syndrome was played by an actor a

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character actor named Christian

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Clemmensen and was really wacky I mean

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this person was so socially inept II did

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all sorts of crazy wild things

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really like well and I'm have been

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around people with Asperger's syndrome

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characteristics of them is that they're

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kind of like a kid they they tell

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part of their social problems they can't

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be quiet or or sort of tell a lie or

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something and they they also don't read

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facial expressions and and

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social Clues they can't get that so if

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your normal person could just see by the

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reactions around them that what they're

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talking about was making people mad or

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angry and they should shut up but

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someone with Asperger's syndrome won't

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get that I mean they can't understand

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any sort of facial clues and social clue

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they're actually missing a gene or so in

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their in their DNA what it was though

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and that he hacked into the Pentagon

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computers and he was a UFO researcher

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really and he said later that the reason

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that he hacked into the Pentagon's of

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computers was he wanted to find UFO

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information and what the Pentagon

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might be keeping secret about UFOs and

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what he said that he discovered was a

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list of over 100 naval officers who were

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listed as being off planet and this list

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of officers that he was able to get

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indicated to him that somehow the Navy

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had some special project that was either

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a space station like a secret space

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station in orbit around our planet where

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all these naval officers were living off

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the planet or somehow that these hundred

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naval officers or something we're not on

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a space station around our planet but

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we're actually you know on some other

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planet like on the moon or on Mars or

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now do we assume here this person is at

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least trying to tell the truth that he's

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not a whack-job in all respects you did

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say of course that someone with

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Asperger's syndrome tends to be more

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honest only maybe even painfully honest

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about that well that's quite a bit with

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them and they're yeah they're painfully

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honest and like a little kid and when

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some little kid suddenly looks at you

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and says oh you're fat or something you

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know we're a socially adept adult would

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know not to say that but somebody with

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Asperger's do they're brutally honest

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the British government has used his

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syndrome as an excuse for not

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extraditing him and it's caused

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something of a minor

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rift between the United States and

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Britain it's been going on for years

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where the Pentagon is demanding that

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this guy Gary McKinnon be you know

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yanked out of his mom's house taken away

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from this computer sent to Washington DC

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where he can stand you know trial for

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hacking into the Pentagon's computers

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and and then of course send him off to

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prison you know the Maximus already

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prison in Colorado or something he's a

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tourist yeah

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but the British government's main excuse

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and and this comes up in the British

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papers at this guy's famous they say no

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we're not going to extradite Gary

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McKenna D United States because if he

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00:48:23,590 --> 00:48:21,200
went to prison and because of his

1085
00:48:26,410 --> 00:48:23,600
Asperger's syndrome and whatnot you know

1086
00:48:28,290 --> 00:48:26,420
it'll kill him and they use that excuse

1087
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:28,300
and the British government has so far

1088
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:31,490
right up to you know today they have

1089
00:48:36,250 --> 00:48:33,650
refused to extradite Gary McKinnon to

1090
00:48:39,130 --> 00:48:36,260
the United States the one thing he's had

1091
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:39,140
to say that he discovered after hacking

1092
00:48:43,390 --> 00:48:40,490
into the Pentagon's computer was that

1093
00:48:45,370 --> 00:48:43,400
they've got some contingent of officers

1094
00:48:47,470 --> 00:48:45,380
and they're not on this planet so you

1095
00:48:49,720 --> 00:48:47,480
have to ask yourself I mean if if you

1096
00:48:52,090 --> 00:48:49,730
want to entertain this even briefly you

1097
00:48:53,890 --> 00:48:52,100
know as reality and something that's

1098
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:53,900
generally in the Pentagon's computers

1099
00:48:58,930 --> 00:48:56,690
where are these guys so they're either

1100
00:49:01,300 --> 00:48:58,940
in some space station or they are on the

1101
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:01,310
moon or they're on Mars and if that's

1102
00:49:06,940 --> 00:49:04,010
the case it would mean it yes the US

1103
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:06,950
government has a secret you know

1104
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:09,650
military base on the moon that means

1105
00:49:14,890 --> 00:49:12,170
that they have some shuttle service that

1106
00:49:17,590 --> 00:49:14,900
goes from the earth to the moon takes

1107
00:49:19,300 --> 00:49:17,600
these officers there please on there for

1108
00:49:22,420 --> 00:49:19,310
a while and then comes back thing I have

1109
00:49:25,150 --> 00:49:22,430
to ask also David is that if you launch

1110
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:25,160
a spaceship that's capable of sending

1111
00:49:30,250 --> 00:49:27,650
people to the Moon or Mars we have

1112
00:49:32,650 --> 00:49:30,260
evidence of those launches independent

1113
00:49:34,780 --> 00:49:32,660
people would see the takeoffs it

1114
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:34,790
wouldn't be just something that would

1115
00:49:38,410 --> 00:49:36,410
indicate a spy satellite it would have

1116
00:49:40,540 --> 00:49:38,420
to be a pretty large craft where would

1117
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:40,550
you know I mean a well right that's a

1118
00:49:44,470 --> 00:49:42,290
good point but I think I've got your

1119
00:49:47,140 --> 00:49:44,480
answer you're right would not to be a

1120
00:49:48,700 --> 00:49:47,150
large craft and people depending on

1121
00:49:51,070 --> 00:49:48,710
where you launched it from

1122
00:49:53,170 --> 00:49:51,080
they would see it one of the things with

1123
00:49:56,260 --> 00:49:53,180
the United States and Britain for that

1124
00:49:59,200 --> 00:49:56,270
matter they have bases all over the

1125
00:50:00,910 --> 00:49:59,210
world including remote islands in the

1126
00:50:04,150 --> 00:50:00,920
Pacific in the Atlantic and the Indian

1127
00:50:06,250 --> 00:50:04,160
Ocean one island that could well be a

1128
00:50:09,010 --> 00:50:06,260
base for watching face of the moon is

1129
00:50:12,370 --> 00:50:09,020
the island called Diego Garcia

1130
00:50:15,220 --> 00:50:12,380
which is in the Indian Ocean that Island

1131
00:50:17,079 --> 00:50:15,230
is a it's basically a British military

1132
00:50:21,190 --> 00:50:17,089
island but it's also occupied by the

1133
00:50:22,270 --> 00:50:21,200
Americans that Island is so remote I

1134
00:50:25,570 --> 00:50:22,280
means out there in the middle of the

1135
00:50:28,570 --> 00:50:25,580
ocean between India and Madagascar

1136
00:50:31,240 --> 00:50:28,580
basically eight years ago what few

1137
00:50:34,060 --> 00:50:31,250
Islanders actually lived in the in Diego

1138
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:34,070
Garcia were they were moved to Mauritius

1139
00:50:38,290 --> 00:50:36,170
so they the British essentially

1140
00:50:41,260 --> 00:50:38,300
depopulated the natives of that island

1141
00:50:43,030 --> 00:50:41,270
built a military base there that

1142
00:50:46,300 --> 00:50:43,040
military base does have a bomber

1143
00:50:49,900 --> 00:50:46,310
squadron we know and when some of the

1144
00:50:53,890 --> 00:50:49,910
early flights that bombed Iraq flew out

1145
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:53,900
of Diego Garcia but my point is if they

1146
00:50:59,770 --> 00:50:57,290
were launching say Rockets so or some

1147
00:51:00,730 --> 00:50:59,780
other craft from Diego Garcia and they

1148
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:00,740
were going to the moon

1149
00:51:04,599 --> 00:51:02,570
you know nobody would see it except

1150
00:51:06,329 --> 00:51:04,609
military personnel who were you know had

1151
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:06,339
a top-secret there just wouldn't be any

1152
00:51:13,109 --> 00:51:08,930
other witnesses and that's just one

1153
00:51:14,940 --> 00:51:13,119
spice so even Guantanamo Bay or other

1154
00:51:17,710 --> 00:51:14,950
areas like that

1155
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:17,720
there's Johnston Island out in the

1156
00:51:23,079 --> 00:51:20,690
Pacific other islands like that yeah

1157
00:51:26,140 --> 00:51:23,089
they in a sense I mean they could do

1158
00:51:28,570 --> 00:51:26,150
almost anything there and no one would

1159
00:51:31,990 --> 00:51:28,580
be a witness who would say you know just

1160
00:51:35,260 --> 00:51:32,000
a tourist or some civilian who could ban

1161
00:51:37,839 --> 00:51:35,270
you know still work will spill more

1162
00:51:40,450 --> 00:51:37,849
beans in a moment our guest is David

1163
00:51:42,820 --> 00:51:40,460
Hatcher Childress the co-host is Chris

1164
00:51:46,930 --> 00:51:42,830
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1188
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1189
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1198
00:53:05,500 --> 00:53:03,260
we have David Hatcher Childress now

1199
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:05,510
Chris you've known David for a number of

1200
00:53:10,090 --> 00:53:08,210
years what are your feelings and

1201
00:53:12,250 --> 00:53:10,100
reactions maybe we can continue the

1202
00:53:14,770 --> 00:53:12,260
questioning with that about his theory

1203
00:53:17,050 --> 00:53:14,780
about the artificial moon the secret

1204
00:53:19,240 --> 00:53:17,060
space program well the first thing that

1205
00:53:21,700 --> 00:53:19,250
springs to mind is you know the whole

1206
00:53:24,340 --> 00:53:21,710
concept of strapping a giant firecracker

1207
00:53:26,980 --> 00:53:24,350
to your to your backside lighting it on

1208
00:53:30,970 --> 00:53:26,990
fire and shooting yourself above the

1209
00:53:33,730 --> 00:53:30,980
Earth's atmosphere that itself is a an

1210
00:53:36,790 --> 00:53:33,740
interesting subject perhaps our

1211
00:53:40,950 --> 00:53:36,800
government military did take Tesla's

1212
00:53:43,780 --> 00:53:40,960
work for instance or the work of other

1213
00:53:45,910 --> 00:53:43,790
lesser known inventors back in the 30s

1214
00:53:48,220 --> 00:53:45,920
and 40s and and perhaps they have some

1215
00:53:50,970 --> 00:53:48,230
sort of exalted technology that doesn't

1216
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:50,980
it doesn't require it doesn't rely on on

1217
00:53:56,140 --> 00:53:54,170
propulsion of that kind to fire yourself

1218
00:53:58,570 --> 00:53:56,150
on a giant rocket up into space perhaps

1219
00:54:01,570 --> 00:53:58,580
say they have any gravity technology and

1220
00:54:04,030 --> 00:54:01,580
if so it would be pretty easy to launch

1221
00:54:07,570 --> 00:54:04,040
the large ships from pretty pretty much

1222
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:07,580
anywhere so if you're going just on the

1223
00:54:12,670 --> 00:54:10,130
premise that you know the state of

1224
00:54:14,770 --> 00:54:12,680
Technology of our space program is what

1225
00:54:17,590 --> 00:54:14,780
is publicly you know acknowledged then

1226
00:54:20,740 --> 00:54:17,600
that's one thing but if you even if you

1227
00:54:23,830 --> 00:54:20,750
factor in the potential for you know

1228
00:54:26,050 --> 00:54:23,840
unconventional uh technology that's it's

1229
00:54:28,690 --> 00:54:26,060
the highly secret then that just opens

1230
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:28,700
the can of worms even wider you know all

1231
00:54:34,690 --> 00:54:31,610
these uh these interesting factoids

1232
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:34,700
about our solar system you know the for

1233
00:54:38,740 --> 00:54:36,290
instance Richard Hoagland recently has

1234
00:54:42,210 --> 00:54:38,750
just came up the theory that the moon

1235
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:42,220
Phobos circling around Mars is

1236
00:54:49,150 --> 00:54:46,450
artificial he has some pretty intriguing

1237
00:54:51,390 --> 00:54:49,160
evidence to suggest that we should look

1238
00:54:54,910 --> 00:54:51,400
close more closely at that particular

1239
00:54:56,740 --> 00:54:54,920
satellite our moon this is a subject

1240
00:54:59,380 --> 00:54:56,750
that doesn't get enough attention I

1241
00:55:01,810 --> 00:54:59,390
think I think a lot more work by people

1242
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:01,820
like David needs to be done I think

1243
00:55:05,870 --> 00:55:03,770
people need to have a better

1244
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:05,880
understanding of some of the physics and

1245
00:55:10,220 --> 00:55:08,490
all in our solar system and these are I

1246
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:10,230
think cutting-edge subjects that really

1247
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:12,450
need to be addressed further well I

1248
00:55:17,660 --> 00:55:14,850
agree with you with Chris there too

1249
00:55:21,950 --> 00:55:17,670
the kind of technology for going off

1250
00:55:24,110 --> 00:55:21,960
planet going to Mars and really the moon

1251
00:55:26,900 --> 00:55:24,120
and and certainly the technology of

1252
00:55:29,750 --> 00:55:26,910
extraterrestrials - I would think it's

1253
00:55:31,700 --> 00:55:29,760
an electric type of technology and the

1254
00:55:35,150 --> 00:55:31,710
type of spacecraft they're using its

1255
00:55:37,190 --> 00:55:35,160
it's not a rocket it's not some giant

1256
00:55:40,250 --> 00:55:37,200
firecracker like you were saying Chris

1257
00:55:42,970 --> 00:55:40,260
if you light under your bum and go into

1258
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:42,980
space like wily coyote in the cartoons

1259
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:45,690
no I mean it's it's you're going to

1260
00:55:51,350 --> 00:55:49,530
travel electrically and the the kind of

1261
00:55:54,110 --> 00:55:51,360
crafters are going to be electric

1262
00:55:57,290 --> 00:55:54,120
they'll generate their own fields it's

1263
00:56:00,440 --> 00:55:57,300
very similar to I think the technology

1264
00:56:04,220 --> 00:56:00,450
that the Tesla was talking about it's a

1265
00:56:06,740 --> 00:56:04,230
kind of I believe - and in my book so on

1266
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:06,750
Vimanas the technology the gods I talk

1267
00:56:12,470 --> 00:56:09,570
about these plasma craft and that

1268
00:56:16,550 --> 00:56:12,480
they're mercury is part of it they're

1269
00:56:20,030 --> 00:56:16,560
basically the spinning vortex type craft

1270
00:56:22,730 --> 00:56:20,040
a flying saucer type of craft would work

1271
00:56:26,500 --> 00:56:22,740
well with this type of technology and

1272
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:26,510
you have these basically spinning vortex

1273
00:56:33,500 --> 00:56:30,480
type craft their gyro scopic in a sense

1274
00:56:36,350 --> 00:56:33,510
and they're electrified and so this is

1275
00:56:39,020 --> 00:56:36,360
where mercury comes in you have what's

1276
00:56:42,290 --> 00:56:39,030
called like a mercury proton gyro or

1277
00:56:44,750 --> 00:56:42,300
something but you have mercury which is

1278
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:44,760
a liquid it's a metal it's also a

1279
00:56:53,060 --> 00:56:48,570
conductor and it's spinning inside these

1280
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:53,070
this closed gyroscopic system but then

1281
00:56:58,700 --> 00:56:55,650
electricity is added to it and that

1282
00:57:03,490 --> 00:56:58,710
creates a plasma that's an electrified

1283
00:57:07,730 --> 00:57:03,500
gas and this whole thing is spinning

1284
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:07,740
toroid are part of this and a toroid is

1285
00:57:16,690 --> 00:57:12,650
like a doughnut type of vortex movement

1286
00:57:18,890 --> 00:57:16,700
smoke rings are studied in this way

1287
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:18,900
gyroscopes and all these things have a

1288
00:57:23,330 --> 00:57:19,530
kind of

1289
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:23,340
gravity effect in some ways like these

1290
00:57:28,610 --> 00:57:25,410
flying sloths are kind of craft like

1291
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:28,620
that they're like a flying tornado or

1292
00:57:32,510 --> 00:57:30,690
something that's controlled well this

1293
00:57:35,210 --> 00:57:32,520
sounds like and maybe will head back a

1294
00:57:37,820 --> 00:57:35,220
bit to the journey throughout prehistory

1295
00:57:39,140 --> 00:57:37,830
that we've had this technology for a

1296
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:39,150
long long time

1297
00:57:45,260 --> 00:57:42,330
so let's abandon the secret moon

1298
00:57:47,450 --> 00:57:45,270
research and the artificial moon because

1299
00:57:49,940 --> 00:57:47,460
certainly we can't prove it right now

1300
00:57:52,220 --> 00:57:49,950
would be nice if we could even if there

1301
00:57:54,530 --> 00:57:52,230
are indications of it but let's go back

1302
00:57:57,190 --> 00:57:54,540
through prehistory how far back can we

1303
00:57:59,240 --> 00:57:57,200
find words and information about

1304
00:58:02,270 --> 00:57:59,250
advanced flying craft

1305
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:02,280
Ezekiel's wheels from Una's what well

1306
00:58:09,470 --> 00:58:06,570
right I would say all that in my books

1307
00:58:12,950 --> 00:58:09,480
on the subject popular one is the book

1308
00:58:14,570 --> 00:58:12,960
technology the gone and then I also did

1309
00:58:17,420 --> 00:58:14,580
a book called them on aircraft of

1310
00:58:18,830 --> 00:58:17,430
ancient India and Atlantis and even

1311
00:58:20,540 --> 00:58:18,840
another book called Atlantis in the

1312
00:58:23,660 --> 00:58:20,550
power system of the gods which is about

1313
00:58:25,070 --> 00:58:23,670
mercury vortex generators and the power

1314
00:58:27,170 --> 00:58:25,080
system of Atlantis a lot of that had to

1315
00:58:30,260 --> 00:58:27,180
do with kind of Tesla's ideas and

1316
00:58:33,410 --> 00:58:30,270
concepts and inventions but when you

1317
00:58:36,460 --> 00:58:33,420
read for instance the the Ramayana which

1318
00:58:40,580 --> 00:58:36,470
is one of the great Indian epics like

1319
00:58:44,390 --> 00:58:40,590
the Mahabharata I mean both these books

1320
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:44,400
which are thousands of years old they

1321
00:58:48,890 --> 00:58:46,530
read like a wildest science fiction

1322
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:48,900
their life on Buck Rogers or Flash

1323
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:52,290
Gordon story people are flying around in

1324
00:58:58,970 --> 00:58:55,650
their airships these airships are some

1325
00:59:02,270 --> 00:58:58,980
kind of apparently electric type craft

1326
00:59:04,610 --> 00:59:02,280
or at the very least they're like

1327
00:59:06,950 --> 00:59:04,620
airplanes or Zeppelin's or blimps or

1328
00:59:10,580 --> 00:59:06,960
something they're flying around they

1329
00:59:14,410 --> 00:59:10,590
have horrific weapons they get in these

1330
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:14,420
wars they devastate whole cities even

1331
00:59:21,260 --> 00:59:19,050
some of the texts indicate some kind of

1332
00:59:24,350 --> 00:59:21,270
like atomic bombs and things like that

1333
00:59:26,270 --> 00:59:24,360
in the story of the ramayana is actually

1334
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:26,280
which is one of the most famous stories

1335
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:28,530
and Brahma has you became his wife

1336
00:59:32,489 --> 00:59:30,130
leaves him

1337
00:59:34,859 --> 00:59:32,499
she runs off the Sri Lanka with this

1338
00:59:38,430 --> 00:59:34,869
other guy who's who's the bad guy in the

1339
00:59:40,380 --> 00:59:38,440
Mahal epic Ravana is his name and Rama's

1340
00:59:41,819 --> 00:59:40,390
bummed out for a while he goes and

1341
00:59:44,370 --> 00:59:41,829
meditates in the forest

1342
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:44,380
his wife's left him and then one day

1343
00:59:49,650 --> 00:59:46,690
kind of snaps out of it and he decides

1344
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:49,660
hey I'm gonna go get my wife back and he

1345
00:59:56,549 --> 00:59:52,450
jumps into his vimana his airship he

1346
00:59:58,289 --> 00:59:56,559
flies down to Sri Lanka grabs his old

1347
01:00:02,339 --> 00:59:58,299
lady and says look you're coming home

1348
01:00:04,380 --> 01:00:02,349
with me and and she does go home with

1349
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him I mean they have some aerial battles

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01:00:09,690 --> 01:00:07,029
he defeats the bad guy who stole his

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01:00:12,180 --> 01:00:09,700
wife and then they returned to northern

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01:00:14,670 --> 01:00:12,190
India where you know they try and live

1353
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:14,680
happily ever after although she stated

1354
01:00:19,950 --> 01:00:17,650
because she now like an adulteress and

1355
01:00:22,799 --> 01:00:19,960
stuff so David it sounds like a

1356
01:00:25,140 --> 01:00:22,809
Bollywood dub potentially relatives you

1357
01:00:26,999 --> 01:00:25,150
know and it's very it's all caught up

1358
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:27,009
you know these really this personal

1359
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:29,410
relationship with these people and it's

1360
01:00:33,739 --> 01:00:31,690
more like a husband wife problems and

1361
01:00:37,190 --> 01:00:33,749
stuff so one of the stories basically

1362
01:00:39,900 --> 01:00:37,200
that in the Ramayana is this marital

1363
01:00:42,839 --> 01:00:39,910
squabble between Rama and his wife Sita

1364
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:42,849
he uses his vimana goes and gets her and

1365
01:00:49,769 --> 01:00:46,930
brings her back in India and Thailand I

1366
01:00:52,079 --> 01:00:49,779
mean everybody knows what a vimana is

1367
01:00:54,839 --> 01:00:52,089
you can ask them they all know these

1368
01:00:56,729 --> 01:00:54,849
stories even they have the patience as

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01:01:01,170 --> 01:00:56,739
you walk through the Bangkok Airport

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01:01:05,849 --> 01:01:01,180
today there's a huge mural of Rama on

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01:01:08,569 --> 01:01:05,859
his flying chariot and I mean he it the

1372
01:01:11,190 --> 01:01:08,579
way they depict it is literally a

1373
01:01:14,940 --> 01:01:11,200
chariot being drawn through the clouds

1374
01:01:17,729 --> 01:01:14,950
you know by flying horses but you know

1375
01:01:20,279 --> 01:01:17,739
in reality what the Vimanas would have

1376
01:01:21,180 --> 01:01:20,289
been were I mean they were machines just

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01:01:23,700 --> 01:01:21,190
like we have today

1378
01:01:26,219 --> 01:01:23,710
Arizona theory that's raised here and

1379
01:01:30,569 --> 01:01:26,229
I'll shortcut this because the story is

1380
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:30,579
fascinating but if this existed hundreds

1381
01:01:37,650 --> 01:01:33,130
of thousands of years ago where did this

1382
01:01:40,079 --> 01:01:37,660
technology go well right and what I

1383
01:01:42,510 --> 01:01:40,089
maintain and in all my books on these

1384
01:01:46,170 --> 01:01:42,520
subjects is the history

1385
01:01:49,710 --> 01:01:46,180
and science and technology it's not some

1386
01:01:51,620 --> 01:01:49,720
you know straight line graph from the

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01:01:55,140 --> 01:01:51,630
bottom going up to the top here's

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01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:55,150
civilization here's science and go up to

1389
01:01:58,800 --> 01:01:56,530
the top of the graph it's not like that

1390
01:02:01,830 --> 01:01:58,810
it's a it's a rollercoaster of ups and

1391
01:02:04,109 --> 01:02:01,840
downs and the history of mankind has

1392
01:02:07,170 --> 01:02:04,119
been one of golden ages and

1393
01:02:11,100 --> 01:02:07,180
enlightenment and science and then all

1394
01:02:14,700 --> 01:02:11,110
that crashing being dark ages it's a

1395
01:02:17,340 --> 01:02:14,710
cyclic 'el nature of civilization that

1396
01:02:19,950 --> 01:02:17,350
goes in these ups and downs it's well

1397
01:02:22,710 --> 01:02:19,960
known that the ancient Egyptians and the

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01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:22,720
Greeks and Romans even had a higher

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technology and civilization than

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Europeans did during the Dark Ages we'll

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go into the dark ages in a moment we're

1402
01:02:34,650 --> 01:02:31,750
not in the Dark Ages now we're in the

1403
01:02:36,930 --> 01:02:34,660
power cast our co-host is Chris O'Brien

1404
01:02:40,710 --> 01:02:36,940
our guest David Hatcher Childress I'm

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01:02:49,180 --> 01:02:40,720
Jean Steinberg you're in the powertest

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01:02:52,030 --> 01:02:49,190
[Music]

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you are about to enter another dimension

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the dimension not only of sight and

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01:03:00,640 --> 01:02:57,360
sound but of mind a journey into a

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sinister land of secret rights passwords

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01:03:06,500 --> 01:03:03,840
initiations and handshakes but the truth

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01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:06,510
remains hidden and history is controlled

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01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:09,890
by an a/d group of mysterious men

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01:03:14,270 --> 01:03:12,090
imagine if you will that I'm holding a

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book in my hands that explains this

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01:03:18,470 --> 01:03:16,320
secret history and that the name of this

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book is conspiracies and secret

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societies the complete dossier

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here's describe centuries of dark

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dealing lies murder mayhem and cover-ups

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in the pursuit of unimaginable money in

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01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:34,980
power my name is Brad Steiger and the

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stories you are about to read may have

1424
01:03:43,850 --> 01:03:39,930
actually happened at the signpost up

1425
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ahead your next stop conspiracies and

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normal blood pressure naturally how

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would that make you feel I'm dawn from

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the Mexican January of 2000 I had a

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heart attack then my real health began

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going downhill and I had high blood

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and I really wasn't sleeping well I was

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a mess pretty much don reports dramatic

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improvements with heart and body extract

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I started taking a heart and body

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started sleeping a lot better my blood

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pressure

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normalized my blood sugar normalized and

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my sleep really did improve experience

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these benefits and more where your body

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gets what it needs with the assistance

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did not expect this at all by the

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dramatic improvements from taking part

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build up enough wealth to retire and

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live out their golden years

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unfortunately with taxation the rising

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cost of food energy housing and medical

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many retirees are forced to live below

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the poverty line is this a fly free

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enterprise or is our monetary unit we

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call the Federal Reserve Note forcing us

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into perpetual debt insuring inflation

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in higher taxes these questions and more

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can be answered by reading G Edward

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Island congressman Ron Paul States it's

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what every American needs to know about

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tired of searching for great talk radio

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and I think it really does make a

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01:06:59,670 --> 01:06:55,230
difference

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01:07:03,830 --> 01:06:59,680
we are the GC and radio network

1504
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:06,930
you've entered another dimension you've

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entered the beard yes

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01:07:29,730 --> 01:07:26,240
[Music]

1507
01:07:32,250 --> 01:07:29,740
I'm Jean Steinberg the co-host is Chris

1508
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:32,260
O'Brien our guest David Hatcher

1509
01:07:38,819 --> 01:07:34,890
childress author adventurer

1510
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:38,829
man-about-town I'm starting to make you

1511
01:07:45,150 --> 01:07:41,890
sound like the shadow here Lamont

1512
01:07:45,809 --> 01:07:45,160
Cranston talking about ancient abilities

1513
01:07:47,970 --> 01:07:45,819
and everything else

1514
01:07:50,700 --> 01:07:47,980
okay so civilization doesn't move in a

1515
01:07:53,599 --> 01:07:50,710
straight line so do we think that maybe

1516
01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:53,609
we had an Atlantis then with advanced

1517
01:07:59,670 --> 01:07:56,890
capabilities advanced aircraft and then

1518
01:08:01,980 --> 01:07:59,680
it all went to pot the civilization

1519
01:08:05,609 --> 01:08:01,990
ended there was a worldwide Cataclysm

1520
01:08:08,910 --> 01:08:05,619
what well right and that's more or less

1521
01:08:13,230 --> 01:08:08,920
what I maintain that there were in

1522
01:08:17,039 --> 01:08:13,240
ancient times before 10,000 BC say and

1523
01:08:21,689 --> 01:08:17,049
then even coming up to say even three

1524
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:21,699
4000 BC mankind had or certain areas of

1525
01:08:27,090 --> 01:08:23,770
mankind had very high developed

1526
01:08:32,189 --> 01:08:27,100
technology they had electricity they had

1527
01:08:35,099 --> 01:08:32,199
airships they had giant power saws they

1528
01:08:40,380 --> 01:08:35,109
even had I would say abilities to

1529
01:08:42,559 --> 01:08:40,390
levitate giant of you know 500 ton

1530
01:08:46,079 --> 01:08:42,569
blocks of granite and things like that

1531
01:08:48,510 --> 01:08:46,089
they were able to do things that

1532
01:08:50,010 --> 01:08:48,520
virtually impossible to us today and and

1533
01:08:54,180 --> 01:08:50,020
some of those things we can still see

1534
01:08:58,019 --> 01:08:54,190
the giant stones at Baalbek there are

1535
01:09:01,620 --> 01:08:58,029
things in Egypt there are giant walls in

1536
01:09:04,349 --> 01:09:01,630
in South America where I mean you look

1537
01:09:08,130 --> 01:09:04,359
at them today and you think wow I mean

1538
01:09:10,410 --> 01:09:08,140
even a modern construction crew here you

1539
01:09:12,590 --> 01:09:10,420
know in in the United States or in Egypt

1540
01:09:15,930 --> 01:09:12,600
or Peru or something they couldn't

1541
01:09:22,229 --> 01:09:15,940
recreate those walls I mean you would

1542
01:09:24,450 --> 01:09:22,239
need scientists and yet archeologists

1543
01:09:27,209 --> 01:09:24,460
are telling us oh you know primitive

1544
01:09:30,590 --> 01:09:27,219
people just dragged these giant stones

1545
01:09:34,010 --> 01:09:30,600
stack them up here like you'd stand

1546
01:09:35,750 --> 01:09:34,020
oh yeah railway cars or things like that

1547
01:09:38,480 --> 01:09:35,760
well again in the course of leads one to

1548
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:38,490
believe that nowadays we want to think

1549
01:09:43,070 --> 01:09:40,770
we were the only advanced civilization

1550
01:09:45,289 --> 01:09:43,080
that you know everybody else was

1551
01:09:48,890 --> 01:09:45,299
primitive they used stones there were

1552
01:09:51,710 --> 01:09:48,900
cavemen etc etc there was no possibility

1553
01:09:54,380 --> 01:09:51,720
of an ancient advanced civilization but

1554
01:09:57,020 --> 01:09:54,390
other than things we read in the ancient

1555
01:09:59,210 --> 01:09:57,030
texts now if we look at those texts they

1556
01:10:01,640 --> 01:09:59,220
can also be fictional we have no

1557
01:10:05,900 --> 01:10:01,650
evidence they're factual do we well we

1558
01:10:08,750 --> 01:10:05,910
do and of course the idea that yeah

1559
01:10:11,300 --> 01:10:08,760
these ancient texts such as ramayana

1560
01:10:13,970 --> 01:10:11,310
mahabharata of the other epics 2-bromo

1561
01:10:15,500 --> 01:10:13,980
parva which is one but even though

1562
01:10:19,460 --> 01:10:15,510
they're telling these fantastic stories

1563
01:10:21,710 --> 01:10:19,470
of airships horrific wars super weapons

1564
01:10:26,660 --> 01:10:21,720
and things like that and it's all just

1565
01:10:30,650 --> 01:10:26,670
you know a imaginative fantasy mythology

1566
01:10:32,780 --> 01:10:30,660
by you know ancient writers however from

1567
01:10:35,380 --> 01:10:32,790
an archaeological sense you you're just

1568
01:10:39,500 --> 01:10:35,390
you I do I try and find all right let's

1569
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:39,510
this seems to make sense let's look for

1570
01:10:45,290 --> 01:10:42,690
this evidence and and it is there Oh

1571
01:10:47,630 --> 01:10:45,300
I mean it's bits and pieces unusual

1572
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:47,640
little things for instance when british

1573
01:10:54,740 --> 01:10:50,850
and indian and pakistani archaeologists

1574
01:10:56,990 --> 01:10:54,750
first began excavating these cities that

1575
01:11:00,560 --> 01:10:57,000
are out in the thin desert right now

1576
01:11:02,530 --> 01:11:00,570
between the india and pakistan cities

1577
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:02,540
like mohenjo-daro

1578
01:11:09,530 --> 01:11:07,650
kodai-ji Harappa what they found was it

1579
01:11:12,230 --> 01:11:09,540
was similar to what the ancient Indian

1580
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:12,240
epics had said as they got to the street

1581
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:14,730
level of mohenjo-daro and these cities

1582
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:16,890
are out in that in this in this desert

1583
01:11:21,890 --> 01:11:19,410
I mean it's and it's a virtually

1584
01:11:24,710 --> 01:11:21,900
uninhabited these areas what they found

1585
01:11:28,250 --> 01:11:24,720
where people were lying dead in the

1586
01:11:30,830 --> 01:11:28,260
streets just like the ancient Hindu

1587
01:11:34,190 --> 01:11:30,840
epics had indicated people were lying

1588
01:11:37,340 --> 01:11:34,200
dead in the streets holding hands some

1589
01:11:39,020 --> 01:11:37,350
boom had taken over the city killed

1590
01:11:41,660 --> 01:11:39,030
everybody

1591
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:41,670
and then no one buried the dead or

1592
01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:42,090
anything

1593
01:11:49,580 --> 01:11:44,610
and eventually the the deserts hands

1594
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:49,590
came in covered this city and thousands

1595
01:11:53,299 --> 01:11:51,090
of years later that archaeologists

1596
01:11:57,410 --> 01:11:53,309
finally uncovered this these cities -

1597
01:12:00,529 --> 01:11:57,420
are built at a very fine ceramic bricks

1598
01:12:05,029 --> 01:12:00,539
that were fired the cities were planned

1599
01:12:07,850 --> 01:12:05,039
in advance they had a very good sewage

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01:12:09,529 --> 01:12:07,860
and water systems they had even those

1601
01:12:11,930 --> 01:12:09,539
people today in the Indus Valley they

1602
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:11,940
have a type of a script that's never

1603
01:12:17,330 --> 01:12:14,570
been deciphered that same script

1604
01:12:20,709 --> 01:12:17,340
apparently is the wrong go wrong go

1605
01:12:24,350 --> 01:12:20,719
writing on Easter Island there's a

1606
01:12:26,450 --> 01:12:24,360
Polish scientist who put all that

1607
01:12:28,939 --> 01:12:26,460
together where he took the indus valley

1608
01:12:30,379 --> 01:12:28,949
script which is undeciphered and the

1609
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:30,389
wrong go wrong the writing of Easter

1610
01:12:35,029 --> 01:12:32,250
Island it's undeciphered - but he showed

1611
01:12:37,819 --> 01:12:35,039
how they're really the same strange

1612
01:12:40,790 --> 01:12:37,829
writing with figures so now you have

1613
01:12:43,299 --> 01:12:40,800
like these guys on Easter Island with

1614
01:12:45,709 --> 01:12:43,309
all the giant heads and things like that

1615
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:45,719
mainstream archaeologists after you need

1616
01:12:48,410 --> 01:12:47,010
to have to admit that yeah there's

1617
01:12:51,830 --> 01:12:48,420
something going on there but they would

1618
01:12:55,129 --> 01:12:51,840
say okay on Easter Island the solution

1619
01:12:57,470 --> 01:12:55,139
there is that some Polynesians came from

1620
01:12:59,240 --> 01:12:57,480
tech needy take a and Easter Island he

1621
01:13:02,089 --> 01:12:59,250
travels one of the remotest islands in

1622
01:13:05,330 --> 01:13:02,099
the world and then when they got there

1623
01:13:07,549 --> 01:13:05,340
they invented by themselves you know on

1624
01:13:10,069 --> 01:13:07,559
this tiny island our own special writing

1625
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:10,079
and then also they got bored and they

1626
01:13:14,990 --> 01:13:11,730
started building all these giant statues

1627
01:13:17,299 --> 01:13:15,000
itself like that but in reality I would

1628
01:13:19,899 --> 01:13:17,309
say all these things are connected and

1629
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:19,909
just like today we have a worldwide

1630
01:13:26,660 --> 01:13:23,610
culture and English is spoken around the

1631
01:13:29,270 --> 01:13:26,670
world you can get into an airship flying

1632
01:13:31,580 --> 01:13:29,280
across an ocean to some other remote

1633
01:13:33,260 --> 01:13:31,590
island and then on to another continent

1634
01:13:35,540 --> 01:13:33,270
or something like that and I believe

1635
01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:35,550
that in ancient times they were doing

1636
01:13:42,290 --> 01:13:38,610
that too but it wasn't it wasn't a

1637
01:13:44,180 --> 01:13:42,300
culture of consumerism as we have today

1638
01:13:46,970 --> 01:13:44,190
I mean it was different I mean they

1639
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maintained they had electricity that

1640
01:13:50,750 --> 01:13:49,139
airships they

1641
01:13:52,580 --> 01:13:50,760
they build these giant buildings and

1642
01:13:54,739 --> 01:13:52,590
something that they did to that's that's

1643
01:13:57,069 --> 01:13:54,749
different from us so much of what we do

1644
01:13:59,779 --> 01:13:57,079
today has planned obsolescence in it

1645
01:14:03,770 --> 01:13:59,789
things are actually built to fall apart

1646
01:14:05,899 --> 01:14:03,780
after a certain time cars are built that

1647
01:14:08,029 --> 01:14:05,909
way and the buildings that we build

1648
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:08,039
they're not meant to last for more than

1649
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:11,010
a hundred years or maybe 200 years or

1650
01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:13,050
something like that but the ancients

1651
01:14:18,949 --> 01:14:16,170
they were building buildings to last for

1652
01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:18,959
thousands of years and in fact if you go

1653
01:14:23,689 --> 01:14:22,050
to Egypt today and uh other areas of the

1654
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:23,699
world you'll see these buildings they're

1655
01:14:29,299 --> 01:14:26,130
still standing and they're giant

1656
01:14:31,729 --> 01:14:29,309
megalithic stone constructions and I

1657
01:14:33,410 --> 01:14:31,739
mean they've been there for already

1658
01:14:34,910 --> 01:14:33,420
three or four thousand years and they're

1659
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:34,920
gonna last for another three or four

1660
01:14:39,319 --> 01:14:36,690
thousand years and that's how they build

1661
01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:39,329
things and I I think they also built

1662
01:14:45,500 --> 01:14:42,170
their vermonters that way to sort of

1663
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build your Vimanas to last a good long

1664
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time where are they to be found well

1665
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what I was saying earlier along those

1666
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lines is that as these advanced

1667
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civilizations were destroyed I believe

1668
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:03,449
it was probably some kind of worldwide

1669
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Cataclysm that that really you know

1670
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destroyed this worldwide civilization or

1671
01:15:17,209 --> 01:15:14,249
there was areas of a pockets and at that

1672
01:15:18,830 --> 01:15:17,219
time many of the Vimanas and the cities

1673
01:15:21,529 --> 01:15:18,840
were destroyed and when you go to

1674
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Tiahuanaco and certain places that's

1675
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what you see you see giant blocks of

1676
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stone that have been tossed around like

1677
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some child's building blocks or

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something like that we'll have to look

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into the child's building blocks and all

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Steinberger in the power cast Chris

1786
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David you've mentioned the intriguing

1787
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connections that that we can see sort of

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traces of that may link some super

1789
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ancient civilization to having a

1790
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worldwide presence do you think that now

1791
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today in the 21st century that we have

1792
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any sort of evidence that would suggest

1793
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that vestiges of this ancient

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civilization have survived into the

1795
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present day well I think so and I mean

1796
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what I've theorized has happened is that

1797
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there was a time when there was a

1798
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worldwide civilization they had all

1799
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these machines Vimanas

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they had anti-gravity they were

1801
01:21:22,589 --> 01:21:20,449
levitating giant stones they had huge

1802
01:21:26,140 --> 01:21:22,599
saws they were cutting these things

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01:21:28,330 --> 01:21:26,150
assembling massive walls they were

1804
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:28,340
building things to last for thousands of

1805
01:21:32,859 --> 01:21:31,010
years with with giant granite blocks and

1806
01:21:35,020 --> 01:21:32,869
things and much of it is actually

1807
01:21:38,709 --> 01:21:35,030
destroyed now well when thus Cataclysm

1808
01:21:41,379 --> 01:21:38,719
took place certain pockets of a of its

1809
01:21:42,550 --> 01:21:41,389
technology and civilization what they

1810
01:21:48,540 --> 01:21:42,560
did was a clinic they went underground

1811
01:21:53,500 --> 01:21:48,550
and underground is in literally and

1812
01:21:56,649 --> 01:21:53,510
figuratively where they set up a certain

1813
01:21:59,500 --> 01:21:56,659
basis like Mount Shasta perhaps

1814
01:22:01,229 --> 01:21:59,510
someplace into that that's there was

1815
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:01,239
even a book written about that by

1816
01:22:05,290 --> 01:22:03,290
Lobsang wrong book called the Cave of

1817
01:22:07,750 --> 01:22:05,300
the Ancients were these Tibetan monk

1818
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:07,760
guys go to this secret cave and all

1819
01:22:11,500 --> 01:22:09,530
these machines and stuff are still in

1820
01:22:15,339 --> 01:22:11,510
there that's a similar story to what's

1821
01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:15,349
in Mount Shasta in South America I could

1822
01:22:21,010 --> 01:22:17,690
tell you there are many stories of that

1823
01:22:21,130 --> 01:22:21,020
people see a lot of UFO activity some of

1824
01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:21,140
the

1825
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:25,970
are coming from underwater like Lake

1826
01:22:31,750 --> 01:22:29,210
Titicaca or other kind of secret

1827
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:31,760
mountain bases there's somewhere in the

1828
01:22:41,050 --> 01:22:36,410
Andes so the idea is that here you have

1829
01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:41,060
like surviving pockets of these whatever

1830
01:22:46,390 --> 01:22:43,250
they are ancient Atlanteans or something

1831
01:22:49,570 --> 01:22:46,400
like that an analogy that I would use

1832
01:22:54,030 --> 01:22:49,580
would be Cheyenne Mountain near Colorado

1833
01:22:57,430 --> 01:22:54,040
Springs now here is a place that is a

1834
01:23:00,390 --> 01:22:57,440
you know two big Granite Mountain the US

1835
01:23:04,510 --> 01:23:00,400
military has hollowed this mountain out

1836
01:23:05,380 --> 01:23:04,520
there's some kind of a city inside that

1837
01:23:07,450 --> 01:23:05,390
mountain

1838
01:23:08,980 --> 01:23:07,460
it's basically secret although the you

1839
01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:08,990
know the government admits it's there

1840
01:23:13,540 --> 01:23:11,330
you you can't go there or go inside it

1841
01:23:15,730 --> 01:23:13,550
and see what's there but it they admit

1842
01:23:17,830 --> 01:23:15,740
yes we have this all there's electric

1843
01:23:21,850 --> 01:23:17,840
cars in there people actually live

1844
01:23:25,210 --> 01:23:21,860
inside that mountain now if there was

1845
01:23:29,290 --> 01:23:25,220
some worldwide Cataclysm and it could be

1846
01:23:32,380 --> 01:23:29,300
a massive nuclear war it could be some

1847
01:23:36,370 --> 01:23:32,390
natural Cataclysm that that you know

1848
01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:36,380
destroys the earth and thence but

1849
01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:38,330
suddenly these guys are still inside

1850
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:40,850
this mountain and they have generators

1851
01:23:45,190 --> 01:23:43,130
they have electric cars they have

1852
01:23:47,110 --> 01:23:45,200
airships but the rest of the world has

1853
01:23:49,630 --> 01:23:47,120
been destroyed and even doesn't even

1854
01:23:51,760 --> 01:23:49,640
look the way it had been before there's

1855
01:23:54,820 --> 01:23:51,770
been some pole shift comments have been

1856
01:23:57,010 --> 01:23:54,830
rearranged giant tsunamis of wiped out

1857
01:24:00,010 --> 01:23:57,020
billions of people or something but

1858
01:24:03,070 --> 01:24:00,020
they're still alive in this mountain

1859
01:24:04,840 --> 01:24:03,080
fortress of Cheyenne Mountain now I mean

1860
01:24:07,210 --> 01:24:04,850
that would be the modern analogy I would

1861
01:24:08,530 --> 01:24:07,220
try and draw now if something happens

1862
01:24:11,350 --> 01:24:08,540
like this in the past

1863
01:24:14,260 --> 01:24:11,360
then perhaps isolated areas like Mount

1864
01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:14,270
Shasta or someplace in Tibet where these

1865
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:16,130
people have survived they still have

1866
01:24:23,110 --> 01:24:19,010
these airships and then like in the

1867
01:24:27,190 --> 01:24:23,120
Bible you have stories of these

1868
01:24:29,950 --> 01:24:27,200
messengers like with Ezekiel and at the

1869
01:24:32,630 --> 01:24:29,960
Book of Enoch is like this - where these

1870
01:24:35,180 --> 01:24:32,640
people are living Sam I pray

1871
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life and the Middle East or something

1872
01:24:42,740 --> 01:24:38,820
and then subtly yeah this airship lands

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01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:42,750
these angels get out they say hey you

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know stop all your fussing and fighting

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and here we'll show you our power come

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on in our airship we'll take you up

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we'll show you your own country from you

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know thousands of feet up in the air and

1882
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:03,330
that's exactly what is iki oh and Enoch

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01:25:08,270 --> 01:25:05,850
say in their books they they say yeah I

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01:25:09,650 --> 01:25:08,280
was taken up in the sky I I saw the

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01:25:10,370 --> 01:25:09,660
planet and then they brought me back

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01:25:12,980 --> 01:25:10,380
down

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I went home you know to the wife and the

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01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:14,640
kids and I told them what happened to me

1889
01:25:19,100 --> 01:25:17,010
today and they all went Wow

1890
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you know that's amazing so this is the

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sort of a story that we're looking at

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01:25:25,220 --> 01:25:23,100
let's look at the overall suggestion

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here we're suggesting then that maybe

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what we think is et is really something

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from here that we have another

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civilization on earth the crypto to

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wrest jewels as it were to use a term

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the late Mac Tony's did in his book that

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01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:41,370
they are sending these crafts aloft and

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they're telling everybody you know we

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got to protect the planet because it's

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their planet as much as ours or maybe

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more so and that they are really here to

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01:25:57,470 --> 01:25:55,380
protect their own self-interest it's not

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01:25:59,540 --> 01:25:57,480
really eat even well that certainly is

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01:26:01,730 --> 01:25:59,550
one scenario and that's that's the one I

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01:26:04,040 --> 01:26:01,740
have been presenting your Ivan T

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01:26:06,410 --> 01:26:04,050
Sanderson also presented that in his

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book invisible residents that came out

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in like 1970 and in that book Sanderson

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more or less said what what you're just

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saying and that is that

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yeah we're sharing this planet with you

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know some other race or and humans

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whatever they are and he was saying in

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that book that they're living in these

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underwater bases and that there's some

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kind of underwater culture they have but

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machines and in fact that's an

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01:26:37,910 --> 01:26:34,770
interesting thing with this with in the

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UFO field where you have some of these

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Vimanas allegedly they're not just

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airships they're submarines too and

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these things go underwater then

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suddenly take off and they leave the

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water and then they fly and how about

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that I mean in theory these airships and

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submarines can you know they can not

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only go to in the depths of the sea and

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to some underwater base or something but

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then they can fly to the moon afterwards

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so you have I mean what it's seems like

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incredible technology and our government

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has that too I believe

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well they're certainly working at the

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same effect that was just something in

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the BBC news a few days ago how the

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Pentagon had said that that's exactly

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what they were working on was some kind

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of submarine that could also fly and in

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fact it would surprise me if they

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already has something like that it would

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be nice if we can prove it certainly

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would save a lot of excess wasted money

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says this where the trillions of dollars

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that Donald Rumsfeld talked about that

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they couldn't locate back in the early

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part of this century is that what he

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meant

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you know it's 1992 trillion dollars well

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01:27:56,230 --> 01:27:51,050
you know when it comes to all this black

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budget stuff and it is it's vast amounts

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of money and so much of it is got to be

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spent on aerospace and naturally I think

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01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:10,310
submarine type technology and part of

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the military strategy for sure is that

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to keep America the leading country in

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the world

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what we really need what we where we

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have to excel and where America does

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excel is in aerospace technology and and

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it's well of billing submarines to I

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01:28:36,190 --> 01:28:32,960
mean this is some something where the

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United States really excels with other

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countries one of the things too about

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Wars and what he particularly you look

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at World War two

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was advanced aerospace technology and

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because of the urgency of the war effort

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and the combined efforts of just

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American citizen

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and the government you know we have to

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defeat the Nazis and the Japanese and

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what that did was for several years I

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mean we just focused all of our money

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and attention and efforts on creating

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the best airplanes I mean and the Nazis

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were doing the same thing I mean they

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were creating already space vehicle the

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Rockets that we eventually you know used

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here we're basically designed by the

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Germans and then we brought many of them

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over here okay we'll get into more about

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that at the moment we have David Hatcher

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Childress co-host is Chris O'Brien I'm

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gene Steinberg you're in the power Cass

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you are listening to the podcast I'm

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gene Steinberg the co-host Chris O'Brien

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the guest David Hatcher Childress you're

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01:34:19,890 --> 01:34:16,390
in the power cast we're exploring some

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01:34:21,810 --> 01:34:19,900
of the things that came from Nazi

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01:34:24,180 --> 01:34:21,820
technology but if we have all this other

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01:34:28,170 --> 01:34:24,190
advanced stuff going on why did we take

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01:34:30,450 --> 01:34:28,180
the firecrackers from the Nazis well I

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01:34:32,400 --> 01:34:30,460
would say along those lines is that we

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01:34:36,780 --> 01:34:32,410
we took all kinds of different

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technology from the Nazis and the Nazis

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01:34:42,750 --> 01:34:40,540
were in many ways a more advancement we

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were with certain types of technologies

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and the reason for that is is that World

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War two and in some aspects was an oil

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01:34:56,610 --> 01:34:54,100
war and what the Axis powers did during

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01:34:58,970 --> 01:34:56,620
World War Two was go and take oil fields

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01:35:02,550 --> 01:34:58,980
and that was a big difference between

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01:35:04,890 --> 01:35:02,560
Germany and Italy and Japan and Allies

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01:35:07,320 --> 01:35:04,900
was that those three countries didn't

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really have oil fields and during the

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01:35:12,540 --> 01:35:09,820
war what they did was go and occupy oil

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fields the Germans took oil fields in

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01:35:17,130 --> 01:35:15,130
Eastern Europe the Italian stuff oil

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01:35:20,670 --> 01:35:17,140
fields in North Africa and the Japanese

2122
01:35:23,670 --> 01:35:20,680
took oil fields in Manchuria and other

2123
01:35:27,750 --> 01:35:23,680
areas of China and occupy them but then

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01:35:30,600 --> 01:35:27,760
during the war as what what the Allies

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01:35:33,990 --> 01:35:30,610
did was go and retake those oil fields

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01:35:35,880 --> 01:35:34,000
bomb them but during the war then the

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Germans because they didn't have a lot

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of oil themselves very researched all

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01:35:45,450 --> 01:35:41,020
kinds of alternative technologies

2130
01:35:47,520 --> 01:35:45,460
including the fafsa oil coal to oil type

2131
01:35:50,370 --> 01:35:47,530
programs that south africa still uses

2132
01:35:54,140 --> 01:35:50,380
today different types of electric

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01:35:56,670 --> 01:35:54,150
technology special types of fuels even

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01:35:59,000 --> 01:35:56,680
developing atomic energy and atomic

2135
01:36:02,010 --> 01:35:59,010
bombs and things like that so the Nazis

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especially because they didn't have all

2137
01:36:07,200 --> 01:36:04,510
the oil they were really trying to

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develop these more electric and and what

2139
01:36:12,670 --> 01:36:10,000
we would kind of consider UFO high

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technologies and in fact at the end of

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01:36:18,430 --> 01:36:15,440
World War two what happened was the the

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Nazis big final push was the Battle of

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the Bulge and during the Battle of boots

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what have they ran out of gas and that

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was the end of the battle and the

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Germans just finally as they ran out of

2147
01:36:28,660 --> 01:36:26,480
gas

2148
01:36:31,000 --> 01:36:28,670
in their new Panzer tanks I mean they

2149
01:36:33,970 --> 01:36:31,010
just popped those hatches and got out

2150
01:36:35,680 --> 01:36:33,980
and started walking back to Germany and

2151
01:36:39,300 --> 01:36:35,690
they lost the battle by just running out

2152
01:36:42,460 --> 01:36:39,310
of gas similarly it was the Bush family

2153
01:36:45,460 --> 01:36:42,470
had Prescott Bush during World War two

2154
01:36:47,410 --> 01:36:45,470
they were just out Bush was dragged in

2155
01:36:49,990 --> 01:36:47,420
front of a special Senate panel because

2156
01:36:52,840 --> 01:36:50,000
it was determined that the bush family's

2157
01:36:54,880 --> 01:36:52,850
oil company is the pot of oil down in

2158
01:36:58,140 --> 01:36:54,890
Houston and one of the things that they

2159
01:37:02,380 --> 01:36:58,150
did was create these very very special

2160
01:37:04,840 --> 01:37:02,390
aviation fuels and those aviation fuels

2161
01:37:07,270 --> 01:37:04,850
couldn't the Nazis weren't able to make

2162
01:37:10,180 --> 01:37:07,280
those kind of fuels and incredibly yeah

2163
01:37:12,970 --> 01:37:10,190
the Bush family was selling to the Nazis

2164
01:37:15,340 --> 01:37:12,980
during World War two this special kind

2165
01:37:18,340 --> 01:37:15,350
of fuel that only they could make and

2166
01:37:21,340 --> 01:37:18,350
and Texas so how about that what's wrong

2167
01:37:23,500 --> 01:37:21,350
picture teepees and that's a famous

2168
01:37:27,400 --> 01:37:23,510
story too with the whole Bush family in

2169
01:37:30,220 --> 01:37:27,410
there in World War two so so the Germans

2170
01:37:32,080 --> 01:37:30,230
in that sense because their backs were

2171
01:37:35,610 --> 01:37:32,090
against the wall they were developing

2172
01:37:37,840 --> 01:37:35,620
these unusual type of technologies and

2173
01:37:40,180 --> 01:37:37,850
America and Britain were actually behind

2174
01:37:42,460 --> 01:37:40,190
with them because they would lots of oil

2175
01:37:47,050 --> 01:37:42,470
and everything they did was just based

2176
01:37:50,140 --> 01:37:47,060
on oil and other you know fuels derived

2177
01:37:52,330 --> 01:37:50,150
from oil so now you have the Tesla type

2178
01:37:55,090 --> 01:37:52,340
stuff and what's going on with Nikola

2179
01:37:59,110 --> 01:37:55,100
Tesla especially was here's a guy who

2180
01:38:02,650 --> 01:37:59,120
was developing things in the 1920 with

2181
01:38:05,560 --> 01:38:02,660
his towers that were putting

2182
01:38:07,570 --> 01:38:05,570
electricity into the atmosphere he

2183
01:38:09,430 --> 01:38:07,580
wanted to have his wireless system of

2184
01:38:11,440 --> 01:38:09,440
power and with Tesla of course

2185
01:38:14,230 --> 01:38:11,450
everything was electric Tesla was

2186
01:38:18,010 --> 01:38:14,240
already talking about these anti-gravity

2187
01:38:19,960 --> 01:38:18,020
airships they had no wings or anything

2188
01:38:21,709 --> 01:38:19,970
they were they were totally electric

2189
01:38:26,270 --> 01:38:21,719
they could drop

2190
01:38:28,280 --> 01:38:26,280
from his towers and these towers were I

2191
01:38:30,740 --> 01:38:28,290
mean he was going to put them all over

2192
01:38:33,140 --> 01:38:30,750
the world Marconi was apparently doing

2193
01:38:36,229 --> 01:38:33,150
similar things but so here we have

2194
01:38:37,640 --> 01:38:36,239
especially with Tesla we have things

2195
01:38:40,160 --> 01:38:37,650
that he was doing a nineteen twenties

2196
01:38:43,220 --> 01:38:40,170
that today are still considered like

2197
01:38:48,200 --> 01:38:43,230
science fiction but prior to World War

2198
01:38:49,820 --> 01:38:48,210
two you know the everybody once was

2199
01:38:51,260 --> 01:38:49,830
paying a lot of attention to Tesla's

2200
01:38:54,590 --> 01:38:51,270
work and he would talk about the death

2201
01:38:56,630 --> 01:38:54,600
rays I mean he was at the time and even

2202
01:38:58,250 --> 01:38:56,640
still today's by the greatest inventor

2203
01:39:00,500 --> 01:38:58,260
and scientist who ever lived

2204
01:39:03,110 --> 01:39:00,510
I mean his inventions are lighting the

2205
01:39:05,840 --> 01:39:03,120
whole world today and yet he's like a

2206
01:39:09,260 --> 01:39:05,850
suppressed person and again the oil

2207
01:39:12,260 --> 01:39:09,270
companies are the ones who triumphed

2208
01:39:14,870 --> 01:39:12,270
here and Tesla's demonized that some

2209
01:39:17,540 --> 01:39:14,880
kind of a crazy nut with all of his

2210
01:39:19,100 --> 01:39:17,550
electric airships and wireless

2211
01:39:23,030 --> 01:39:19,110
transmission of power and stuff like

2212
01:39:26,600 --> 01:39:23,040
that is death rays and and we sort of

2213
01:39:28,250 --> 01:39:26,610
have in my mind a cloak oil cloak pulled

2214
01:39:31,070 --> 01:39:28,260
over us like yet we have to go into

2215
01:39:33,860 --> 01:39:31,080
space we have to use you know oil we

2216
01:39:36,229 --> 01:39:33,870
have to use chemical rockets to go into

2217
01:39:37,400 --> 01:39:36,239
space when if you ask Nikola Tesla how

2218
01:39:39,470 --> 01:39:37,410
to go into space you would have said oh

2219
01:39:41,780 --> 01:39:39,480
you got to build this electric airship

2220
01:39:43,250 --> 01:39:41,790
and go to the moon that way so it's all

2221
01:39:45,130 --> 01:39:43,260
conspiracy on the part of the oil

2222
01:39:48,729 --> 01:39:45,140
industry to suppress these inventions

2223
01:39:53,060 --> 01:39:48,739
well I mean I would say that yeah that

2224
01:39:56,540 --> 01:39:53,070
there is there is an aspect of some kind

2225
01:39:59,330 --> 01:39:56,550
of conspiracy to suppress certain types

2226
01:40:02,840 --> 01:39:59,340
of technology that technology is

2227
01:40:05,390 --> 01:40:02,850
electric and that if you're and now we

2228
01:40:10,850 --> 01:40:05,400
get into the UFOs if you just start

2229
01:40:13,640 --> 01:40:10,860
looking at your standard UFO stories of

2230
01:40:14,540 --> 01:40:13,650
what these cramped are like spinning

2231
01:40:20,090 --> 01:40:14,550
around

2232
01:40:23,930 --> 01:40:20,100
edge of the craft they're spinning and

2233
01:40:26,930 --> 01:40:23,940
rotating I mean it's clear that UFO

2234
01:40:29,810 --> 01:40:26,940
technology and again this is part of the

2235
01:40:32,209 --> 01:40:29,820
suppression that whatever the technology

2236
01:40:33,339 --> 01:40:32,219
is in some flying saucer or flying

2237
01:40:36,310 --> 01:40:33,349
triangle or

2238
01:40:39,310 --> 01:40:36,320
cigar-shaped airship whatever it's not

2239
01:40:42,339 --> 01:40:39,320
jet technology it's not lockets it's

2240
01:40:44,709 --> 01:40:42,349
some kind of electric technology that's

2241
01:40:48,790 --> 01:40:44,719
what we're talking about earlier plasma

2242
01:40:52,120 --> 01:40:48,800
technology fields generated through

2243
01:40:55,990 --> 01:40:52,130
electrically of some kind of spinning

2244
01:40:59,260 --> 01:40:56,000
vortex gyros but it's a government let's

2245
01:41:01,720 --> 01:40:59,270
just say that if some of these UFOs not

2246
01:41:03,850 --> 01:41:01,730
necessarily all of them but some are

2247
01:41:05,500 --> 01:41:03,860
being built by the government are coming

2248
01:41:09,250 --> 01:41:05,510
from areas with you want a Nevada or

2249
01:41:11,890 --> 01:41:09,260
whatever those craft they're not rockets

2250
01:41:14,169 --> 01:41:11,900
they're not jet engines there's

2251
01:41:17,140 --> 01:41:14,179
something else and apparently they're

2252
01:41:20,050 --> 01:41:17,150
electric and I would go back in my mind

2253
01:41:21,700 --> 01:41:20,060
to Tesla's early inventions and those

2254
01:41:25,750 --> 01:41:21,710
things apparently are being suppressed

2255
01:41:28,060 --> 01:41:25,760
hmm now how do we unsuppressed it is

2256
01:41:29,760 --> 01:41:28,070
there a way or is a secret government

2257
01:41:34,390 --> 01:41:29,770
just too overwhelming

2258
01:41:39,550 --> 01:41:34,400
get a spinner with a crit get a stinger

2259
01:41:41,350 --> 01:41:39,560
bring one down so my friend Andrew keeps

2260
01:41:43,870 --> 01:41:41,360
saying no all I need to sting or I'll

2261
01:41:48,970 --> 01:41:43,880
show you what a UFO is well you know

2262
01:41:50,830 --> 01:41:48,980
again that this raises a whole slew of

2263
01:41:53,410 --> 01:41:50,840
subject areas that we could dive into

2264
01:41:55,030 --> 01:41:53,420
here and one of the things that I've

2265
01:41:58,120 --> 01:41:55,040
always felt based on my own personal

2266
01:41:59,680 --> 01:41:58,130
experience as a field investigator is it

2267
01:42:03,430 --> 01:41:59,690
the government in the military and

2268
01:42:07,209 --> 01:42:03,440
possibly even a quasi-governmental the

2269
01:42:10,390 --> 01:42:07,219
nefarious body is testing and has

2270
01:42:13,419 --> 01:42:10,400
operational technology of the sort that

2271
01:42:15,459 --> 01:42:13,429
David is describing what do you think

2272
01:42:17,560 --> 01:42:15,469
David I mean is this is this a why don't

2273
01:42:19,270 --> 01:42:17,570
they you know let word of this

2274
01:42:21,689 --> 01:42:19,280
technology out is this some sort of

2275
01:42:24,100 --> 01:42:21,699
ultimate ace in the hole in terms of

2276
01:42:26,050 --> 01:42:24,110
power and control on the planet do you

2277
01:42:27,819 --> 01:42:26,060
think the United States government at

2278
01:42:29,680 --> 01:42:27,829
some point will be forced to show its

2279
01:42:32,620 --> 01:42:29,690
technological hand in this regard or do

2280
01:42:34,569 --> 01:42:32,630
you think it's going to stay secret for

2281
01:42:36,370 --> 01:42:34,579
as long as they as long as we have

2282
01:42:38,080 --> 01:42:36,380
dominion over the planet based on

2283
01:42:40,300 --> 01:42:38,090
conventional technology I mean what is

2284
01:42:41,620 --> 01:42:40,310
your thinking on that politically well I

2285
01:42:42,880 --> 01:42:41,630
think that they do need to have a number

2286
01:42:45,940 --> 01:42:42,890
of reasons to keep

2287
01:42:50,400 --> 01:42:45,950
this technology secret a lot of it is

2288
01:42:53,260 --> 01:42:50,410
military and I mean if if they have

2289
01:42:55,350 --> 01:42:53,270
let's let's say their own flying saucers

2290
01:42:58,480 --> 01:42:55,360
and things like that and I think they do

2291
01:43:01,750 --> 01:42:58,490
yeah they can take these kind of craft

2292
01:43:03,730 --> 01:43:01,760
and you know internet not really weapons

2293
01:43:05,410 --> 01:43:03,740
I mean that's that's kind of a thing too

2294
01:43:09,130 --> 01:43:05,420
or you know I've heard that argument

2295
01:43:11,110 --> 01:43:09,140
where people have said well if the Nazis

2296
01:43:12,880 --> 01:43:11,120
have been developing flying saucers at

2297
01:43:16,990 --> 01:43:12,890
the end of World War two why why didn't

2298
01:43:18,070 --> 01:43:17,000
they win the war you know and I mean

2299
01:43:22,000 --> 01:43:18,080
that's a reasonable question but a

2300
01:43:26,080 --> 01:43:22,010
flying saucer like a helicopter it's not

2301
01:43:28,150 --> 01:43:26,090
really a a weapon itself but it's a you

2302
01:43:30,250 --> 01:43:28,160
know it's a vehicle and that's something

2303
01:43:32,410 --> 01:43:30,260
about World War two that a lot of people

2304
01:43:34,990 --> 01:43:32,420
don't realize as well there were not

2305
01:43:37,120 --> 01:43:35,000
helicopters in World War two helicopters

2306
01:43:39,340 --> 01:43:37,130
didn't come really until after World War

2307
01:43:40,510 --> 01:43:39,350
Two in the early 50s it really first

2308
01:43:42,910 --> 01:43:40,520
used in the Korean War

2309
01:43:45,370 --> 01:43:42,920
so in World War two they didn't have

2310
01:43:48,760 --> 01:43:45,380
these vertical takeoff and landing craft

2311
01:43:52,000 --> 01:43:48,770
they didn't really have them and what a

2312
01:43:54,520 --> 01:43:52,010
flying saucer would do that but if you

2313
01:43:55,570 --> 01:43:54,530
have a kind of a craft like that like

2314
01:43:57,070 --> 01:43:55,580
your war or something I mean these

2315
01:43:59,350 --> 01:43:57,080
things can fly it from end of speeds

2316
01:44:03,370 --> 01:43:59,360
they develop their own gravitational

2317
01:44:06,040 --> 01:44:03,380
field you can suddenly turn on a dime at

2318
01:44:08,740 --> 01:44:06,050
a right angle and because you're inside

2319
01:44:11,650 --> 01:44:08,750
your own g field you don't generate

2320
01:44:13,660 --> 01:44:11,660
these g-forces that you would in a in a

2321
01:44:15,430 --> 01:44:13,670
jet or a rocket or something like that

2322
01:44:17,830 --> 01:44:15,440
as you flying around I'll tell you what

2323
01:44:19,810 --> 01:44:17,840
we'll get into more of this kind of

2324
01:44:22,150 --> 01:44:19,820
transportation sounds fascinating

2325
01:44:23,980 --> 01:44:22,160
certainly beats waiting three hours on

2326
01:44:27,130 --> 01:44:23,990
the line over the airport

2327
01:44:29,560 --> 01:44:27,140
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2367
01:46:23,919 --> 01:46:20,239
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2368
01:46:26,169 --> 01:46:23,929
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2369
01:46:29,799 --> 01:46:26,179
about ancient astronauts and about

2370
01:46:31,089 --> 01:46:29,809
modern crypto terrestrials maybe modern

2371
01:46:34,179 --> 01:46:31,099
inventions that we don't hear about

2372
01:46:36,429 --> 01:46:34,189
secret space programs and whatnot I'm

2373
01:46:39,009 --> 01:46:36,439
Jean Steinberg you're in the power cast

2374
01:46:39,640 --> 01:46:39,019
so I guess the question we'll pursue

2375
01:46:43,330 --> 01:46:39,650
here

2376
01:46:45,879 --> 01:46:43,340
David is alright so if we can have this

2377
01:46:49,299 --> 01:46:45,889
kind of aircraft wouldn't it just

2378
01:46:51,219 --> 01:46:49,309
completely revolutionize the industry of

2379
01:46:53,770 --> 01:46:51,229
flying I mean it's so primitive what

2380
01:46:55,929 --> 01:46:53,780
we're doing with those jet engines you

2381
01:47:00,459 --> 01:46:55,939
know we're basically running around the

2382
01:47:02,919 --> 01:47:00,469
world in fire crackers aren't we well I

2383
01:47:07,719 --> 01:47:02,929
think that Rockets are definitely very

2384
01:47:10,750 --> 01:47:07,729
dangerous and it and that is okay it's a

2385
01:47:15,819 --> 01:47:10,760
strange part of what we're talking about

2386
01:47:19,750 --> 01:47:15,829
is like is our space industry is it some

2387
01:47:21,429 --> 01:47:19,760
weird hoax and I mean there's this every

2388
01:47:23,529 --> 01:47:21,439
time they put the Space Shuttle up into

2389
01:47:26,140 --> 01:47:23,539
space although they're going to retire

2390
01:47:28,179 --> 01:47:26,150
now them which is interesting itself and

2391
01:47:30,580 --> 01:47:28,189
you kind of think okay this is dangerous

2392
01:47:33,790 --> 01:47:30,590
we're basically going up into space and

2393
01:47:35,830 --> 01:47:33,800
some big you know bomb essentially you

2394
01:47:38,319 --> 01:47:35,840
know if there was a safer way of doing

2395
01:47:39,699 --> 01:47:38,329
it why wouldn't they do that well even

2396
01:47:42,399 --> 01:47:39,709
they you know they have to develop these

2397
01:47:45,420 --> 01:47:42,409
kinds of technologies the control of

2398
01:47:47,550 --> 01:47:45,430
space would be so important

2399
01:47:49,470 --> 01:47:47,560
and and that's another reason to keep

2400
01:47:52,080 --> 01:47:49,480
all the secret and it comes back to the

2401
01:47:56,010 --> 01:47:52,090
gary mckinnon saying in in britain where

2402
01:47:59,550 --> 01:47:56,020
he found this list of 100 officers were

2403
01:48:03,690 --> 01:47:59,560
supposedly off the planet by controlling

2404
01:48:05,850 --> 01:48:03,700
space and that even from the moon

2405
01:48:10,080 --> 01:48:05,860
perhaps then you would control this

2406
01:48:12,840 --> 01:48:10,090
planet and the aerospace thing is so

2407
01:48:15,210 --> 01:48:12,850
important and along those lines too

2408
01:48:17,580 --> 01:48:15,220
would be keeping our enemies such as say

2409
01:48:22,650 --> 01:48:17,590
iran or something from ever developing

2410
01:48:26,160 --> 01:48:22,660
their own you know aerospace technology

2411
01:48:29,070 --> 01:48:26,170
and it's all part of the control of of

2412
01:48:33,930 --> 01:48:29,080
the planet and so keeping certain

2413
01:48:37,080 --> 01:48:33,940
technology secret even in my mind they

2414
01:48:39,240 --> 01:48:37,090
would have had and tried to develop all

2415
01:48:41,720 --> 01:48:39,250
kinds of technology that's that's so

2416
01:48:46,950 --> 01:48:41,730
just speculative today including

2417
01:48:51,330 --> 01:48:46,960
teleportation invisibility projects even

2418
01:48:53,190 --> 01:48:51,340
a special hologram technology that did

2419
01:48:56,040 --> 01:48:53,200
it where they can project things and fun

2420
01:48:57,090 --> 01:48:56,050
and in fact the vimana Shastra and

2421
01:48:58,950 --> 01:48:57,100
that's one of the interesting things

2422
01:49:01,110 --> 01:48:58,960
about Vermont is when you read the

2423
01:49:04,560 --> 01:49:01,120
ancient Indian epics I mean they talk

2424
01:49:08,190 --> 01:49:04,570
about these Vimanas these airships but

2425
01:49:11,100 --> 01:49:08,200
just like in a modern novel where the

2426
01:49:13,530 --> 01:49:11,110
hero suddenly goes to the airport gets

2427
01:49:15,870 --> 01:49:13,540
on an airplane flies to London or

2428
01:49:18,510 --> 01:49:15,880
something like that the novel doesn't

2429
01:49:20,820 --> 01:49:18,520
suddenly stop and tell you what an

2430
01:49:22,020 --> 01:49:20,830
airplane is and how it works and how it

2431
01:49:24,030 --> 01:49:22,030
has these wings there was a bunch of

2432
01:49:25,350 --> 01:49:24,040
seats in there and there's these jet

2433
01:49:27,360 --> 01:49:25,360
engines on the wings and stuff they

2434
01:49:29,910 --> 01:49:27,370
don't say that they they just tell you

2435
01:49:32,280 --> 01:49:29,920
they got into an airplane and and went

2436
01:49:34,800 --> 01:49:32,290
someplace because they know that you

2437
01:49:36,480 --> 01:49:34,810
know what an airplane is and that's how

2438
01:49:39,000 --> 01:49:36,490
the ancient Indian epics were like that

2439
01:49:42,270 --> 01:49:39,010
- they talk about Vimanas but they

2440
01:49:46,590 --> 01:49:42,280
wouldn't go into great detail about them

2441
01:49:50,940 --> 01:49:46,600
however in 1908 in central India the

2442
01:49:53,880 --> 01:49:50,950
Royal Baroda library and Mysore they

2443
01:49:56,449 --> 01:49:53,890
found its ancient Indian text called the

2444
01:49:58,839 --> 01:49:56,459
Veneto Shastra and it was

2445
01:50:01,850 --> 01:49:58,849
from the fourth century BC it had been

2446
01:50:05,629 --> 01:50:01,860
it said it was compiled from earlier

2447
01:50:07,939 --> 01:50:05,639
ancient texts and it was a book entirely

2448
01:50:10,040 --> 01:50:07,949
about Vimanas I mean that's all it was

2449
01:50:12,169 --> 01:50:10,050
about these airships and it talked about

2450
01:50:14,919 --> 01:50:12,179
four different types of Aman's they

2451
01:50:17,899 --> 01:50:14,929
talked about mercury it talked about

2452
01:50:19,459 --> 01:50:17,909
what it was like inside the craft I mean

2453
01:50:22,129 --> 01:50:19,469
and it's all written in this ancient

2454
01:50:24,379 --> 01:50:22,139
Sanskrit they have to translate it to

2455
01:50:26,689 --> 01:50:24,389
modern Hindi and try and figure out what

2456
01:50:29,569 --> 01:50:26,699
they're saying but even in the big nikka

2457
01:50:33,709 --> 01:50:29,579
Shastra they talk about how the craft

2458
01:50:36,410 --> 01:50:33,719
had the ability to project a hologram of

2459
01:50:38,750 --> 01:50:36,420
the craft in front of it in these aerial

2460
01:50:40,580 --> 01:50:38,760
battles so that the enemy ships were

2461
01:50:43,779 --> 01:50:40,590
attacking not the eight not the real

2462
01:50:47,239 --> 01:50:43,789
vimana aircraft but this holographic

2463
01:50:49,069 --> 01:50:47,249
projection so how about that I mean all

2464
01:50:50,509 --> 01:50:49,079
graphic rejections you know it sounds

2465
01:50:53,689 --> 01:50:50,519
like almost like Star Trek with the

2466
01:50:56,870 --> 01:50:53,699
holiday beyond Star Trek well right and

2467
01:51:00,020 --> 01:50:56,880
so even an edit you would think in my

2468
01:51:01,549 --> 01:51:00,030
mind a US government has also worked on

2469
01:51:05,929 --> 01:51:01,559
this kind of thing holographic

2470
01:51:07,759 --> 01:51:05,939
projections putting you know as an

2471
01:51:09,560 --> 01:51:07,769
example a bunch of Tanks out into the

2472
01:51:12,310 --> 01:51:09,570
desert that aren't even there they're

2473
01:51:15,350 --> 01:51:12,320
just projected there's even a

2474
01:51:19,279 --> 01:51:15,360
fascinating idea what's called Project

2475
01:51:21,169 --> 01:51:19,289
Blue Beam which was that in fact Ian

2476
01:51:23,719 --> 01:51:21,179
Fleming supposedly came up with this

2477
01:51:26,390 --> 01:51:23,729
talking to President Kennedy one day

2478
01:51:28,219 --> 01:51:26,400
nearly 60s about Cuba and he said well

2479
01:51:31,640 --> 01:51:28,229
why don't you guys you know project a

2480
01:51:34,279 --> 01:51:31,650
hologram of Jesus and Mother Mary over

2481
01:51:37,219 --> 01:51:34,289
Havana you know and get all these

2482
01:51:40,250 --> 01:51:37,229
Catholic Cubans excited kind of thing so

2483
01:51:42,729 --> 01:51:40,260
that's where they and allegedly now they

2484
01:51:45,709 --> 01:51:42,739
have projects like that where they can

2485
01:51:50,270 --> 01:51:45,719
use lasers and things like that crazy

2486
01:51:53,029 --> 01:51:50,280
Holograms and it's a lot of warfare is

2487
01:51:55,939 --> 01:51:53,039
deception really with you know the enemy

2488
01:51:59,060 --> 01:51:55,949
and so that's again where a lot of the

2489
01:52:03,919 --> 01:51:59,070
secrets come in that's one reason why I

2490
01:52:07,069 --> 01:52:03,929
mean world war two in some ways is still

2491
01:52:08,580 --> 01:52:07,079
going on the battle for planet Earth is

2492
01:52:11,780 --> 01:52:08,590
still happening

2493
01:52:14,820 --> 01:52:11,790
and it you know we don't know exactly

2494
01:52:17,580 --> 01:52:14,830
what's happening I've been always a big

2495
01:52:19,770 --> 01:52:17,590
fan of James Bond movies and all these

2496
01:52:24,330 --> 01:52:19,780
other trailers when you see all that

2497
01:52:27,030 --> 01:52:24,340
with these secret bases even stuff in

2498
01:52:30,420 --> 01:52:27,040
Antarctica possibly aliens being

2499
01:52:32,970 --> 01:52:30,430
involved - I mean it's watching the news

2500
01:52:34,860 --> 01:52:32,980
sometimes you have to think that yeah

2501
01:52:37,740 --> 01:52:34,870
there's really more going on that you

2502
01:52:40,170 --> 01:52:37,750
might really think well I'm one thing

2503
01:52:42,030 --> 01:52:40,180
that I could say is to stay the economy

2504
01:52:45,000 --> 01:52:42,040
in the way that things are progressing

2505
01:52:46,680 --> 01:52:45,010
in the in the modern world I'm wondering

2506
01:52:49,140 --> 01:52:46,690
who's really winning I think it's almost

2507
01:52:52,770 --> 01:52:49,150
like a lose-lose scenario so what you

2508
01:52:55,740 --> 01:52:52,780
see is again as the potential future for

2509
01:52:59,820 --> 01:52:55,750
disclosure for example there's as you

2510
01:53:02,190 --> 01:52:59,830
know a very popular movement that's

2511
01:53:06,060 --> 01:53:02,200
gaining momentum within the UFO logical

2512
01:53:07,860 --> 01:53:06,070
community that's you know kind of

2513
01:53:11,300 --> 01:53:07,870
wanting the government to come come

2514
01:53:15,300 --> 01:53:11,310
clean and disclose what they know about

2515
01:53:18,420 --> 01:53:15,310
aliens and ETS and and you would think

2516
01:53:19,170 --> 01:53:18,430
the level of technology that we're at

2517
01:53:21,270 --> 01:53:19,180
right now

2518
01:53:22,710 --> 01:53:21,280
what do you think is this a pipe dream

2519
01:53:25,440 --> 01:53:22,720
do you think there's any hope that the

2520
01:53:27,240 --> 01:53:25,450
government's going to after 60 years

2521
01:53:29,550 --> 01:53:27,250
find decide that they're going to tell

2522
01:53:32,160 --> 01:53:29,560
us the truth what are your feelings yeah

2523
01:53:34,230 --> 01:53:32,170
you know I think that eventually yes

2524
01:53:38,370 --> 01:53:34,240
there will be disclosure the government

2525
01:53:42,690 --> 01:53:38,380
is slowly acknowledging some of this

2526
01:53:47,850 --> 01:53:42,700
technology acknowledging perhaps our own

2527
01:53:52,050 --> 01:53:47,860
secret space program I think even now

2528
01:53:55,280 --> 01:53:52,060
this BP disaster in the Gulf and Obama's

2529
01:53:57,510 --> 01:53:55,290
initiatives for new technologies

2530
01:53:59,730 --> 01:53:57,520
electric cars I'm very excited about

2531
01:54:02,010 --> 01:53:59,740
this Tesla Motor Company and the

2532
01:54:04,740 --> 01:54:02,020
electric cars they're building what will

2533
01:54:08,930 --> 01:54:04,750
probably happen is and it will be

2534
01:54:13,290 --> 01:54:08,940
gradual but we'll see a whole society

2535
01:54:16,650 --> 01:54:13,300
moving over to more electric types and

2536
01:54:19,530 --> 01:54:16,660
clean technologies getting away from oil

2537
01:54:20,599 --> 01:54:19,540
and gas part of it - for keeping it

2538
01:54:24,139 --> 01:54:20,609
secret and

2539
01:54:27,079 --> 01:54:24,149
for allowing the oil technology an

2540
01:54:30,529 --> 01:54:27,089
oil-based technology to continue is the

2541
01:54:34,369 --> 01:54:30,539
economy of the world is right now is

2542
01:54:36,619 --> 01:54:34,379
largely based on oil and they're talking

2543
01:54:39,560 --> 01:54:36,629
about this in the Gulf if it's like a

2544
01:54:43,009 --> 01:54:39,570
double disaster in many ways with the BP

2545
01:54:46,129 --> 01:54:43,019
disaster because not only is it an

2546
01:54:48,859 --> 01:54:46,139
ecological disaster but then if they put

2547
01:54:51,679 --> 01:54:48,869
a moratorium on drilling in the Gulf

2548
01:54:55,250 --> 01:54:51,689
that would put thousands of more people

2549
01:54:57,169 --> 01:54:55,260
out of work because so many people in

2550
01:54:59,599 --> 01:54:57,179
Louisiana and Texas and other areas are

2551
01:55:02,449 --> 01:54:59,609
down there work in the oil industry and

2552
01:55:06,049 --> 01:55:02,459
even you have things like gas stations

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01:55:07,849 --> 01:55:06,059
and just even a district tear shops and

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01:55:11,089 --> 01:55:07,859
stuff like that there's so many people

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01:55:14,060 --> 01:55:11,099
who are employed in all the peripheral

2556
01:55:16,939 --> 01:55:14,070
industries around oil that we can't just

2557
01:55:19,369 --> 01:55:16,949
stop using that overnight it would

2558
01:55:22,879 --> 01:55:19,379
literally put so many people out of jobs

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01:55:24,229 --> 01:55:22,889
and our already fragile economy this

2560
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could be the kind of thing that really

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puts people out I'll tell you what we'll

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questioning yeah speaking about the BP

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scenario that's going on in the Gulf

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right now I've been doing them a bit of

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research on oil and and I think that

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there is some question as to how much

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oil is actually on the planet you know

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one of my nightmare scenarios is that

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the planet actually is producing the oil

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where we're going to start running out

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02:01:02,650 --> 02:00:58,720
and that this very detrimental

2676
02:01:04,660 --> 02:01:02,660
technology and ecologically it is going

2677
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to have some legs and they're just

2678
02:01:09,880 --> 02:01:07,400
trying to milk this thing as long as as

2679
02:01:13,000 --> 02:01:09,890
they can and suck every last dime out of

2680
02:01:15,670 --> 02:01:13,010
our pockets at the gas pumps and whatnot

2681
02:01:19,690 --> 02:01:15,680
is there a way do you think David for us

2682
02:01:21,730 --> 02:01:19,700
to to you know end our reliance which is

2683
02:01:25,660 --> 02:01:21,740
as you've described this is quite

2684
02:01:29,410 --> 02:01:25,670
extensive on an oil-based technology and

2685
02:01:32,710 --> 02:01:29,420
in an oil based economy is how do you

2686
02:01:36,430 --> 02:01:32,720
see a way around this well I mean I

2687
02:01:40,600 --> 02:01:36,440
think it will be a gradual thing and it

2688
02:01:43,390 --> 02:01:40,610
will be the slow implementation of

2689
02:01:47,770 --> 02:01:43,400
electric cars and and stations that are

2690
02:01:50,830 --> 02:01:47,780
charging them it will also I think be a

2691
02:01:54,300 --> 02:01:50,840
slow shift in our space program and I

2692
02:01:57,490 --> 02:01:54,310
found it it was interesting that Obama

2693
02:02:01,420 --> 02:01:57,500
canceled the moon mission that Bush had

2694
02:02:04,210 --> 02:02:01,430
set up for 2020 just at the end of his

2695
02:02:06,730 --> 02:02:04,220
presidential term and then suddenly

2696
02:02:09,910 --> 02:02:06,740
Obama said okay now we're not doing that

2697
02:02:14,920 --> 02:02:09,920
and he then canceled what was

2698
02:02:17,890 --> 02:02:14,930
essentially the NASA manufacturing of a

2699
02:02:19,390 --> 02:02:17,900
new space vehicle and what he said in

2700
02:02:20,229 --> 02:02:19,400
his speech was what's interesting where

2701
02:02:23,080 --> 02:02:20,239
he said

2702
02:02:27,150 --> 02:02:23,090
well basically we'll let the private

2703
02:02:30,340 --> 02:02:27,160
sector develop the new space vehicle and

2704
02:02:33,940 --> 02:02:30,350
if the United States is going back to

2705
02:02:36,310 --> 02:02:33,950
the moon we'll do it with you know a

2706
02:02:38,979 --> 02:02:36,320
space vehicle that's not made by the

2707
02:02:41,890 --> 02:02:38,989
government but one that's made by you

2708
02:02:45,010 --> 02:02:41,900
know Virgin Atlantic or some other

2709
02:02:46,150 --> 02:02:45,020
private company or something well one of

2710
02:02:48,640 --> 02:02:46,160
the things that I've noticed about

2711
02:02:51,420 --> 02:02:48,650
electrical technology is you know you

2712
02:02:54,340 --> 02:02:51,430
hear about all these developments in

2713
02:02:56,080 --> 02:02:54,350
hydrogen and electrical technology for

2714
02:02:58,060 --> 02:02:56,090
instance but how come you don't hear

2715
02:02:59,979 --> 02:02:58,070
about technology breakthroughs when it

2716
02:03:02,590 --> 02:02:59,989
comes to storing electricity

2717
02:03:04,959 --> 02:03:02,600
why don't haven't we seen amazing

2718
02:03:07,240 --> 02:03:04,969
breakthroughs and battery technology do

2719
02:03:10,600 --> 02:03:07,250
you think well right you have this whole

2720
02:03:14,470 --> 02:03:10,610
fuel cell technology you do have special

2721
02:03:17,620 --> 02:03:14,480
batteries even though these crystal type

2722
02:03:22,420 --> 02:03:17,630
batteries that can store tremendous

2723
02:03:26,979 --> 02:03:22,430
amounts of energy and again I think

2724
02:03:28,750 --> 02:03:26,989
because a United States has been so much

2725
02:03:30,940 --> 02:03:28,760
of the leader since its really since

2726
02:03:34,030 --> 02:03:30,950
we're we're in the world war two in all

2727
02:03:36,720 --> 02:03:34,040
of this technology and they've kept much

2728
02:03:41,440 --> 02:03:36,730
of it secret but in the last 50 years

2729
02:03:45,610 --> 02:03:41,450
many countries are starting to catch up

2730
02:03:48,820 --> 02:03:45,620
to us and just like we have our say

2731
02:03:50,440 --> 02:03:48,830
secret space program in my mind they're

2732
02:03:54,520 --> 02:03:50,450
going to have that too and so now you

2733
02:03:57,760 --> 02:03:54,530
have China Japan India these guys are

2734
02:03:59,740 --> 02:03:57,770
all developing their own lunar probes

2735
02:04:03,550 --> 02:03:59,750
they're developing their own space

2736
02:04:05,080 --> 02:04:03,560
vehicles perhaps like the United States

2737
02:04:10,720 --> 02:04:05,090
they're trying to develop their own

2738
02:04:13,750 --> 02:04:10,730
flying saucer flying triangle other what

2739
02:04:17,740 --> 02:04:13,760
we might call really exotic type of

2740
02:04:19,690 --> 02:04:17,750
aircraft in theory that's electric but

2741
02:04:21,160 --> 02:04:19,700
you know it's being done in India it's

2742
02:04:24,580 --> 02:04:21,170
being done in China and Japan

2743
02:04:27,130 --> 02:04:24,590
so as these guys develop their own space

2744
02:04:28,110 --> 02:04:27,140
programs send their own probes to the

2745
02:04:31,350 --> 02:04:28,120
moon and

2746
02:04:34,980 --> 02:04:31,360
we'll really be cool is when China Japan

2747
02:04:36,890 --> 02:04:34,990
India other countries actually very go

2748
02:04:39,960 --> 02:04:36,900
to the moon and land people on the moon

2749
02:04:43,440 --> 02:04:39,970
to me that's great there's a really

2750
02:04:47,160 --> 02:04:43,450
interesting a YouTube footage that I've

2751
02:04:49,350 --> 02:04:47,170
occasionally have gone to look at and

2752
02:04:52,980 --> 02:04:49,360
it's quite amazing and it's on it it

2753
02:04:55,890 --> 02:04:52,990
apparently shows what's like some of the

2754
02:04:58,830 --> 02:04:55,900
Apollo mission astronauts in the moon

2755
02:05:01,380 --> 02:04:58,840
and they're walking through some ancient

2756
02:05:03,450 --> 02:05:01,390
craft that's on the moon and it's very

2757
02:05:06,300 --> 02:05:03,460
realistic and as I've watched it I've

2758
02:05:08,790 --> 02:05:06,310
it's you know it's grainy footage but

2759
02:05:10,290 --> 02:05:08,800
it's these astronauts on the moon and

2760
02:05:13,710 --> 02:05:10,300
they're walking through this like

2761
02:05:16,290 --> 02:05:13,720
derelict huge like cigar-shaped craft

2762
02:05:17,960 --> 02:05:16,300
that's crashed on the moon and they're

2763
02:05:20,730 --> 02:05:17,970
walking through it they're looking at it

2764
02:05:23,490 --> 02:05:20,740
so how about that I mean now we have the

2765
02:05:26,130 --> 02:05:23,500
idea that part of our own space program

2766
02:05:29,460 --> 02:05:26,140
when we went to the moon what we found

2767
02:05:31,170 --> 02:05:29,470
on the moon we've kept a secret of a if

2768
02:05:33,840 --> 02:05:31,180
there are structures on the moon if

2769
02:05:35,880 --> 02:05:33,850
there are you know ancient spacecraft

2770
02:05:38,310 --> 02:05:35,890
that are just lying derelict on the moon

2771
02:05:39,750 --> 02:05:38,320
yeah we've we've been there we've seen

2772
02:05:42,540 --> 02:05:39,760
it we've studied it the astronauts

2773
02:05:42,960 --> 02:05:42,550
walked through it of their keeping it a

2774
02:05:45,510 --> 02:05:42,970
secret

2775
02:05:46,620 --> 02:05:45,520
I maintain two and extra pressure

2776
02:05:48,480 --> 02:05:46,630
archeology and some of the other books

2777
02:05:50,730 --> 02:05:48,490
that there are these obelisks on the

2778
02:05:55,860 --> 02:05:50,740
moon much like on the earth and obelisk

2779
02:05:57,870 --> 02:05:55,870
is a monolithic granite Tower similar to

2780
02:06:01,110 --> 02:05:57,880
what Desa was trying to create there is

2781
02:06:02,940 --> 02:06:01,120
worden cliff towers in fact I maintain

2782
02:06:05,850 --> 02:06:02,950
two in my book on Atlantis the power

2783
02:06:09,210 --> 02:06:05,860
system of the gods that on our planet

2784
02:06:11,070 --> 02:06:09,220
there was at one time obelisk all over

2785
02:06:13,170 --> 02:06:11,080
the planet and they were on remote

2786
02:06:14,970 --> 02:06:13,180
islands there in Egypt or in Ethiopia

2787
02:06:19,380 --> 02:06:14,980
they were in North America they were

2788
02:06:22,110 --> 02:06:19,390
there was obelisk at Tiahuanaco in in in

2789
02:06:24,750 --> 02:06:22,120
Bolivia and so and incredibly there

2790
02:06:26,910 --> 02:06:24,760
Ovilus on the moon too and I guess my

2791
02:06:29,640 --> 02:06:26,920
point is here that as these other

2792
02:06:32,040 --> 02:06:29,650
nations develop the technologies as well

2793
02:06:35,010 --> 02:06:32,050
and they start going to the moon that

2794
02:06:38,520 --> 02:06:35,020
will have that will in a sense force the

2795
02:06:40,479 --> 02:06:38,530
United States to reveal some of their

2796
02:06:42,879 --> 02:06:40,489
secret space program

2797
02:06:46,270 --> 02:06:42,889
secrets technologies that they've had

2798
02:06:48,669 --> 02:06:46,280
and yeah we will eventually learn slowly

2799
02:06:50,409 --> 02:06:48,679
about of these efforts and I think it

2800
02:06:51,640 --> 02:06:50,419
will amaze the people is there any

2801
02:06:54,219 --> 02:06:51,650
possibility here that we're having

2802
02:06:56,409 --> 02:06:54,229
interactions with whether it's et or the

2803
02:06:58,779 --> 02:06:56,419
remnants of the advanced civilizations

2804
02:07:02,140 --> 02:06:58,789
or the DeRose or its heroes or whoever

2805
02:07:06,850 --> 02:07:02,150
they may be right Darrel's and Daryl

2806
02:07:11,770 --> 02:07:06,860
will yeah I think we must and part of it

2807
02:07:15,370 --> 02:07:11,780
the moon missions themselves there's so

2808
02:07:18,159 --> 02:07:15,380
much went on there and it's the more you

2809
02:07:21,310 --> 02:07:18,169
look into the Apollo missions the

2810
02:07:23,109 --> 02:07:21,320
stranger it all gets and it brings up so

2811
02:07:25,629 --> 02:07:23,119
many questions it's more than I think we

2812
02:07:28,659 --> 02:07:25,639
can talk about in the show but but when

2813
02:07:30,969 --> 02:07:28,669
we went to the moon we must have

2814
02:07:33,549 --> 02:07:30,979
encountered something there I mean

2815
02:07:39,609 --> 02:07:33,559
either we discovered that the moon was

2816
02:07:41,009 --> 02:07:39,619
occupied and had to either interact with

2817
02:07:43,659 --> 02:07:41,019
these occupiers whether they're

2818
02:07:46,120 --> 02:07:43,669
extraterrestrials or humans even who are

2819
02:07:49,750 --> 02:07:46,130
already on the moon and make some treaty

2820
02:07:53,109 --> 02:07:49,760
with them or perhaps we were warned off

2821
02:07:55,330 --> 02:07:53,119
the moon and told on to come back I mean

2822
02:07:59,219 --> 02:07:55,340
we don't know but something like that

2823
02:08:01,600 --> 02:07:59,229
happened at the same time it's possible

2824
02:08:06,399 --> 02:08:01,610
and it's certainly their stories to this

2825
02:08:09,969 --> 02:08:06,409
effect that UFO not ETS whoever they

2826
02:08:12,189 --> 02:08:09,979
were you know have met with the US

2827
02:08:14,609 --> 02:08:12,199
government there's a Frank strangers

2828
02:08:18,100 --> 02:08:14,619
story of a stranger in the Pentagon

2829
02:08:21,310 --> 02:08:18,110
Balfour right you must know about that

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02:08:23,919 --> 02:08:21,320
story Jean well as a matter of fact I

2831
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knew dr. Frank strangers a long long

2832
02:08:27,489 --> 02:08:26,059
time ago he's no longer with us we'll

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get into more of this in a moment we

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our guest is David Hatcher Childress

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Steinberg you're in the power cast gene

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having a ton of fun here it's pretty

2939
02:13:20,469 --> 02:13:17,689
obvious that we're gonna have to have

2940
02:13:22,089 --> 02:13:20,479
David back if he'll come back because we

2941
02:13:23,560 --> 02:13:22,099
are just scratching the surface and

2942
02:13:25,810 --> 02:13:23,570
still by the way you should also point

2943
02:13:28,810 --> 02:13:25,820
out we have these active forums forum

2944
02:13:31,149 --> 02:13:28,820
dr. Peric ascom and i know they're going

2945
02:13:33,339 --> 02:13:31,159
to be asking us questions and they go

2946
02:13:38,859 --> 02:13:33,349
boy affecting David to go in there and

2947
02:13:41,979 --> 02:13:38,869
put up with that abuse so I'm gonna beat

2948
02:13:44,109 --> 02:13:41,989
up on him yeah yeah he's I'm sure he's

2949
02:13:48,250 --> 02:13:44,119
taking a lot of bells out there of our

2950
02:13:51,669 --> 02:13:48,260
forum forum contributors uh you know I I

2951
02:13:53,799 --> 02:13:51,679
really love David's freewheeling ability

2952
02:13:56,259 --> 02:13:53,809
to tie together so many divergent

2953
02:13:59,620 --> 02:13:56,269
elements that that when you really look

2954
02:14:01,479 --> 02:13:59,630
at them they all seem to be a really

2955
02:14:04,479 --> 02:14:01,489
important in context with one another

2956
02:14:06,459 --> 02:14:04,489
and I think this uh today's show is

2957
02:14:09,669 --> 02:14:06,469
really uh is really showing us that

2958
02:14:11,560 --> 02:14:09,679
David when we have you back there's some

2959
02:14:14,739 --> 02:14:11,570
other areas I think that that we should

2960
02:14:16,419 --> 02:14:14,749
talk about as well including some of the

2961
02:14:18,669 --> 02:14:16,429
amazing travels that you've had and some

2962
02:14:20,350 --> 02:14:18,679
of the interesting experiences that

2963
02:14:22,600 --> 02:14:20,360
you've had around the world chasing down

2964
02:14:25,060 --> 02:14:22,610
these types of secrets getting back

2965
02:14:25,659 --> 02:14:25,070
quickly here you know at the end of the

2966
02:14:29,049 --> 02:14:25,669
show here

2967
02:14:31,540 --> 02:14:29,059
I'd really like to to remind our

2968
02:14:33,909 --> 02:14:31,550
listeners or have you remind them about

2969
02:14:35,560 --> 02:14:33,919
the level of technology that you

2970
02:14:37,419 --> 02:14:35,570
personally have witnessed at some of

2971
02:14:41,759 --> 02:14:37,429
these megalithic sites I I don't think

2972
02:14:44,739 --> 02:14:41,769
that this can be overstated enough how

2973
02:14:47,639 --> 02:14:44,749
incredible some of the cuts and in the

2974
02:14:51,040 --> 02:14:47,649
architecture and the actual engineering

2975
02:14:52,719 --> 02:14:51,050
must have been the knowledge that must

2976
02:14:54,339 --> 02:14:52,729
have been available to these ancients so

2977
02:14:57,969 --> 02:14:54,349
one can you go into that real quick for

2978
02:14:59,859 --> 02:14:57,979
us yeah sure and on this History Channel

2979
02:15:01,899 --> 02:14:59,869
ancient aliens show that I've been

2980
02:15:03,189 --> 02:15:01,909
fortunate to be part of I've kind of

2981
02:15:06,429 --> 02:15:03,199
discussed this as well

2982
02:15:10,439 --> 02:15:06,439
and that is with modern archaeologists

2983
02:15:13,230 --> 02:15:10,449
they're looking at these really gigantic

2984
02:15:15,570 --> 02:15:13,240
megalithic walls and and they're

2985
02:15:17,430 --> 02:15:15,580
all over the world they're on remote

2986
02:15:19,590 --> 02:15:17,440
Pacific Islands they're in the Middle

2987
02:15:21,900 --> 02:15:19,600
East or in South America they're down in

2988
02:15:25,200 --> 02:15:21,910
Mexico they're there in China and other

2989
02:15:28,410 --> 02:15:25,210
areas in the big question that and that

2990
02:15:32,270 --> 02:15:28,420
the archaeologists don't ask really is

2991
02:15:36,590 --> 02:15:32,280
why why would primitive ancient people

2992
02:15:40,260 --> 02:15:36,600
want to build with you know giant

2993
02:15:42,000 --> 02:15:40,270
100-ton blocks of granite and baffles

2994
02:15:43,950 --> 02:15:42,010
and things like that that's what the

2995
02:15:45,690 --> 02:15:43,960
Egyptians did it's what you find out in

2996
02:15:47,910 --> 02:15:45,700
South America and other areas and

2997
02:15:51,740 --> 02:15:47,920
there's just no reason for it I mean we

2998
02:15:54,930 --> 02:15:51,750
today with all our technology we've got

2999
02:15:57,360 --> 02:15:54,940
bulldozers giant cranes of giant saws

3000
02:16:01,110 --> 02:15:57,370
we've got all that but we don't build

3001
02:16:03,870 --> 02:16:01,120
buildings out of you know railway car

3002
02:16:07,500 --> 02:16:03,880
sized blocks of granite and stuff like

3003
02:16:10,590 --> 02:16:07,510
that but the ancients did that and even

3004
02:16:12,690 --> 02:16:10,600
still today I mean the most popular

3005
02:16:15,810 --> 02:16:12,700
tourist sites in the world are exactly

3006
02:16:18,030 --> 02:16:15,820
these ancient huge walls that are so

3007
02:16:21,000 --> 02:16:18,040
impressive and you have to ask yourself

3008
02:16:24,120 --> 02:16:21,010
why would these so-called primitive

3009
02:16:26,190 --> 02:16:24,130
people want to build with these gigantic

3010
02:16:28,230 --> 02:16:26,200
blocks of stone they don't have to I

3011
02:16:30,270 --> 02:16:28,240
mean we wouldn't do that today I mean

3012
02:16:32,540 --> 02:16:30,280
they could have just as well made you

3013
02:16:36,960 --> 02:16:32,550
know much smaller blocks of stone

3014
02:16:39,270 --> 02:16:36,970
stacked him up much like we would build

3015
02:16:40,710 --> 02:16:39,280
or like the Romans and people built

3016
02:16:42,780 --> 02:16:40,720
their castles and they were they weren't

3017
02:16:45,020 --> 02:16:42,790
trying to build out a railway car blocks

3018
02:16:49,260 --> 02:16:45,030
of stone but the ancients did that

3019
02:16:52,080 --> 02:16:49,270
somehow it was easy for them I mean

3020
02:16:55,070 --> 02:16:52,090
that's the question we have to ask why

3021
02:16:58,650 --> 02:16:55,080
would they do something that seems so

3022
02:17:01,380 --> 02:16:58,660
incredibly difficult but what I would

3023
02:17:04,380 --> 02:17:01,390
say was for them it wasn't so difficult

3024
02:17:07,110 --> 02:17:04,390
and this is the huge enigma really

3025
02:17:08,340 --> 02:17:07,120
associated with these giant ruins of

3026
02:17:11,910 --> 02:17:08,350
things like that around the world is

3027
02:17:14,820 --> 02:17:11,920
that somehow for them it was easy

3028
02:17:17,910 --> 02:17:14,830
they had technology to levitate these

3029
02:17:20,130 --> 02:17:17,920
massive stones they didn't have to have

3030
02:17:23,730 --> 02:17:20,140
giant cranes they didn't have to have

3031
02:17:26,429 --> 02:17:23,740
thousands of people hauling these giant

3032
02:17:29,519 --> 02:17:26,439
blocks they were able to you

3033
02:17:32,639 --> 02:17:29,529
we move them into place stack them up

3034
02:17:34,949 --> 02:17:32,649
many cases they're perfectly cut and

3035
02:17:38,729 --> 02:17:34,959
fitted and and that wouldn't have to be

3036
02:17:41,519 --> 02:17:38,739
done either but they did that so what

3037
02:17:44,099 --> 02:17:41,529
they were doing was so amazing to us and

3038
02:17:47,160 --> 02:17:44,109
yet had to be simple for them and

3039
02:17:49,679 --> 02:17:47,170
probably here now will be simple why not

3040
02:17:51,929 --> 02:17:49,689
take on a challenging pursuit well and

3041
02:17:54,089 --> 02:17:51,939
but that's a question it's like first of

3042
02:17:59,250 --> 02:17:54,099
all these people are allegedly primitive

3043
02:18:01,319 --> 02:17:59,260
people in South America does others have

3044
02:18:04,199 --> 02:18:01,329
writing yeah they did not writing that

3045
02:18:08,449 --> 02:18:04,209
in that knowledge of the wheel I mean

3046
02:18:11,189 --> 02:18:08,459
they're unusually simple people and and

3047
02:18:14,209 --> 02:18:11,199
but yet what they were doing is things

3048
02:18:17,580 --> 02:18:14,219
that are so incredibly difficult were

3049
02:18:20,330 --> 02:18:17,590
seemingly so and that's that's the

3050
02:18:23,009 --> 02:18:20,340
enigmas it's like well how could

3051
02:18:25,410 --> 02:18:23,019
so-called primitive people do something

3052
02:18:29,399 --> 02:18:25,420
that we couldn't really duplicate today

3053
02:18:31,319 --> 02:18:29,409
with all our technology and that is my

3054
02:18:33,089 --> 02:18:31,329
friend Christopher Dunn who wrote the DC

3055
02:18:36,419 --> 02:18:33,099
power plant and other books and he's

3056
02:18:38,309 --> 02:18:36,429
he's a is an engineer and he works in a

3057
02:18:42,419 --> 02:18:38,319
machine shop and this the kind of thing

3058
02:18:44,759 --> 02:18:42,429
that he does is he gets out his special

3059
02:18:46,290 --> 02:18:44,769
gauges that are very you know the my

3060
02:18:48,929 --> 02:18:46,300
kilometers and stuff like that

3061
02:18:53,219 --> 02:18:48,939
and he's able to look at the tolerance

3062
02:18:55,739 --> 02:18:53,229
that is done and the the perfection and

3063
02:18:57,989 --> 02:18:55,749
precision that's in these walls and even

3064
02:19:00,989 --> 02:18:57,999
just stuff we have in Egypt and he has

3065
02:19:04,489 --> 02:19:00,999
concluded that yeah with primitive tools

3066
02:19:07,469 --> 02:19:04,499
and what Egyptologists say that yeah

3067
02:19:10,199 --> 02:19:07,479
ancient Egyptians had to bash out all of

3068
02:19:12,389 --> 02:19:10,209
these beautiful you know granite objects

3069
02:19:14,849 --> 02:19:12,399
and things with a with a rock in their

3070
02:19:16,819 --> 02:19:14,859
hand I mean in fact how they made all

3071
02:19:20,129 --> 02:19:16,829
these things and and according to him

3072
02:19:23,339 --> 02:19:20,139
he's saying that you know this can't be

3073
02:19:25,609 --> 02:19:23,349
made like that they had to have this

3074
02:19:29,129 --> 02:19:25,619
what he maintains they've had to have

3075
02:19:30,870 --> 02:19:29,139
precision tools they had to have giant

3076
02:19:33,389 --> 02:19:30,880
saw that they had to have electricity

3077
02:19:35,380 --> 02:19:33,399
even when he's just like today we would

3078
02:19:38,350 --> 02:19:35,390
we would cut Graham

3079
02:19:41,020 --> 02:19:38,360
with a basically a diamond kit saw we

3080
02:19:43,331 --> 02:19:41,030
would have to use that and then had to

3081
02:19:45,940 --> 02:19:43,341
have that too I mean according to him it

3082
02:19:47,791 --> 02:19:45,950
couldn't beat on any other way to me

3083
02:19:51,820 --> 02:19:47,801
that is what is so fascinating is that

3084
02:19:54,150 --> 02:19:51,830
the technology we have today they had to

3085
02:19:56,921 --> 02:19:54,160
have a similar technology but

3086
02:19:59,291 --> 02:19:56,931
archaeologists you know don't see that

3087
02:20:02,501 --> 02:19:59,301
as possible they they just can't see how

3088
02:20:04,270 --> 02:20:02,511
ancient civilizations could have had the

3089
02:20:08,261 --> 02:20:04,280
kind of technology we have today and

3090
02:20:10,720 --> 02:20:08,271
that is electricity machines heavy

3091
02:20:14,081 --> 02:20:10,730
machinery - I mean just like today we've

3092
02:20:16,301 --> 02:20:14,091
got giant bulldozers and bad clothes and

3093
02:20:19,120 --> 02:20:16,311
cranes and stuff they want to have those

3094
02:20:22,541 --> 02:20:19,130
things - including giant saws to quarry

3095
02:20:24,581 --> 02:20:22,551
things either they levitated it well

3096
02:20:27,100 --> 02:20:24,591
right and then the moving I mean carding

3097
02:20:28,480 --> 02:20:27,110
these blocks is one thing but to move

3098
02:20:31,301 --> 02:20:28,490
them is something else and that is

3099
02:20:33,430 --> 02:20:31,311
that's an enigma and that's where yeah

3100
02:20:35,591 --> 02:20:33,440
it the only real answer to me is that

3101
02:20:38,591 --> 02:20:35,601
they had to be able to levitate these

3102
02:20:40,810 --> 02:20:38,601
blocks of stone nASA has done some

3103
02:20:43,480 --> 02:20:40,820
studies like that - including what

3104
02:20:45,940 --> 02:20:43,490
what's called acoustic levitation and

3105
02:20:49,331 --> 02:20:45,950
that's the whole idea of using sound and

3106
02:20:52,150 --> 02:20:49,341
vibration and then levitating things you

3107
02:20:54,940 --> 02:20:52,160
have the biblical story - of Joshua

3108
02:20:58,240 --> 02:20:54,950
blowing his horn and the walls of

3109
02:21:00,700 --> 02:20:58,250
Jericho fall down I mean here's a famous

3110
02:21:04,331 --> 02:21:00,710
story that almost everyone knows from

3111
02:21:07,360 --> 02:21:04,341
the Bible but it's so bizarre I mean

3112
02:21:09,791 --> 02:21:07,370
could it really be that using sound

3113
02:21:12,761 --> 02:21:09,801
technology and blowing some horn you

3114
02:21:13,810 --> 02:21:12,771
would cause the city walls some ancient

3115
02:21:16,780 --> 02:21:13,820
city to collapse

3116
02:21:18,820 --> 02:21:16,790
that's what though that's what the Bible

3117
02:21:21,581 --> 02:21:18,830
is telling us and I'd like the opera

3118
02:21:24,041 --> 02:21:21,591
singer who sings a certain frequency and

3119
02:21:27,070 --> 02:21:24,051
there goes the glass shatters the glass

3120
02:21:31,600 --> 02:21:27,080
right exactly exactly so there's a way

3121
02:21:34,301 --> 02:21:31,610
sound and vibration or are sort of what

3122
02:21:35,711 --> 02:21:34,311
make up matter and by hitting certain

3123
02:21:38,081 --> 02:21:35,721
types of notes certain type of

3124
02:21:41,171 --> 02:21:38,091
vibrations you can destroy things

3125
02:21:42,761 --> 02:21:41,181
that was also Nikola Tesla invention

3126
02:21:45,640 --> 02:21:42,771
what's known as Nikola Tesla's

3127
02:21:47,330 --> 02:21:45,650
earthquake machine and even a History

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02:21:49,580 --> 02:21:47,340
Channel when they they had

3129
02:21:51,020 --> 02:21:49,590
how do have a show about Nikola Tesla

3130
02:21:53,120 --> 02:21:51,030
and they mentioned this is there's quick

3131
02:21:56,330 --> 02:21:53,130
machine and it too has to do with

3132
02:21:58,490 --> 02:21:56,340
vibration and sound and with Tesla found

3133
02:22:02,150 --> 02:21:58,500
you get a certain type of a resident and

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02:22:04,250 --> 02:22:02,160
a harmonic and building can completely

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02:22:06,230 --> 02:22:04,260
collapse this is another similar thing

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02:22:10,670 --> 02:22:06,240
of when the military walks across

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02:22:14,570 --> 02:22:10,680
bridges they break step and because the

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02:22:17,000 --> 02:22:14,580
certain harmonic vibration of all of

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02:22:17,719 --> 02:22:17,010
just troops marching across a bridge can

3140
02:22:20,570 --> 02:22:17,729
destroy it

3141
02:22:22,429 --> 02:22:20,580
speaking of harmonic vibrations we have

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02:22:25,730 --> 02:22:22,439
one coming up and we can't avoid it

3143
02:22:27,560 --> 02:22:25,740
otherwise we'll break David hazard

3144
02:22:30,080 --> 02:22:27,570
Childress is with us Chris O'Brien

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laughing at last at one of my bad jokes

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I'm gene Steinberg you're in the para

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Childress co-host Chris O'Brien I'm gene

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Steinberg you're in the para cast David

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we know that we're abandoning publicly

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the space program unless we give it all

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the private industry so is this

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basically an act on the part of the

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administration because there's a secret

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space program that's doing all this or

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what what's the endgame well I think

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that yeah this is a chance by our

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current administration to turn over the

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space program to to the people and then

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that's the thing with all this so-called

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secret technology that they've got the

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secret space program is that yeah the

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military's got it they keep it a secret

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it's for our own interest supposedly

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they're keeping us safe and you know

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because our the American military is is

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tomps but by letting our space program

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go to a more civilian and private

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companies and and think tanks it allows

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the technology to come to the consumer

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that's what's not happening with the

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secret space program

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02:28:20,520 --> 02:28:19,000
the military's got all kinds of special

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02:28:24,330 --> 02:28:20,530
technologies they want to keep it secret

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02:28:27,420 --> 02:28:24,340
and that's all fine but eventually these

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02:28:31,110 --> 02:28:27,430
things need to come out to the normal

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02:28:33,450 --> 02:28:31,120
consumer and I mean go be a time it's

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02:28:37,910 --> 02:28:33,460
going to be years from now or things

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02:28:41,370 --> 02:28:37,920
like teleportation anti-gravity electric

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02:28:43,800 --> 02:28:41,380
spacecraft of things like that well

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02:28:47,970 --> 02:28:43,810
they'll be commonplace and it's only

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when normal consumers can have access to

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02:28:54,540 --> 02:28:50,710
these things that you know they're not

3274
02:28:57,960 --> 02:28:54,550
secret anymore and ultimately it will

3275
02:29:00,630 --> 02:28:57,970
come out I believe and probably by the

3276
02:29:03,180 --> 02:29:00,640
time we return to the moon and however

3277
02:29:03,780 --> 02:29:03,190
we do it that's where we'll really start

3278
02:29:07,080 --> 02:29:03,790
to see

3279
02:29:09,300 --> 02:29:07,090
the shift I think from the secret

3280
02:29:11,940 --> 02:29:09,310
technology that they're going to allow

3281
02:29:14,250 --> 02:29:11,950
us to have and ultimately the government

3282
02:29:17,070 --> 02:29:14,260
will say yes we have flying triangles

3283
02:29:20,340 --> 02:29:17,080
yes we have flying discs Boyd craft yes

3284
02:29:22,530 --> 02:29:20,350
we have giant tubular craft and yes you

3285
02:29:24,450 --> 02:29:22,540
know we've got a secret space station up

3286
02:29:28,680 --> 02:29:24,460
in space or whatever they've got and

3287
02:29:30,720 --> 02:29:28,690
they will ultimately you know full

3288
02:29:32,670 --> 02:29:30,730
disclosure will come and for why we they

3289
02:29:35,011 --> 02:29:32,680
just closed it at that particular point

3290
02:29:38,011 --> 02:29:35,021
in time would the oil companies allow

3291
02:29:39,750 --> 02:29:38,021
them to disclose it well yeah the oil

3292
02:29:40,790 --> 02:29:39,760
companies now are kind of have their

3293
02:29:44,040 --> 02:29:40,800
backs against the wall

3294
02:29:45,210 --> 02:29:44,050
oil companies really for the last 50 60

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02:29:46,710 --> 02:29:45,220
70 years

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I mean they've more or less controlled

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the planet and the whole the world's

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02:29:55,980 --> 02:29:53,470
economy has been based on oil and the

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02:29:58,830 --> 02:29:55,990
other part of the economy is based on

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02:30:03,690 --> 02:29:58,840
the military-industrial complex

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02:30:06,060 --> 02:30:03,700
so creating all those the aircraft that

3302
02:30:10,500 --> 02:30:06,070
jet fighters the aircraft carriers the

3303
02:30:12,360 --> 02:30:10,510
super subs and so that's kind of what

3304
02:30:15,450 --> 02:30:12,370
the first world does we create all these

3305
02:30:18,480 --> 02:30:15,460
super machines and other expensive we

3306
02:30:20,700 --> 02:30:18,490
export them and and things like that but

3307
02:30:23,370 --> 02:30:20,710
it's still all based around the oil

3308
02:30:25,500 --> 02:30:23,380
technology what that is going to change

3309
02:30:28,950 --> 02:30:25,510
and I we're going to see a shift

3310
02:30:32,040 --> 02:30:28,960
I predict away from oil away from

3311
02:30:34,020 --> 02:30:32,050
gas-guzzling cars and into a new

3312
02:30:37,050 --> 02:30:34,030
technology and it will be largely

3313
02:30:39,630 --> 02:30:37,060
electric and and this is the future that

3314
02:30:42,950 --> 02:30:39,640
Nikola Tesla saw for us but it was kind

3315
02:30:45,870 --> 02:30:42,960
of what it was we were detoured

3316
02:30:49,380 --> 02:30:45,880
basically around World War two into this

3317
02:30:52,140 --> 02:30:49,390
oil technology world but you know Tesla

3318
02:30:53,790 --> 02:30:52,150
who died in during World War two he

3319
02:30:56,540 --> 02:30:53,800
would have said this is not the way to

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02:30:58,920 --> 02:30:56,550
go we want to you know we want to pursue

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02:31:02,460 --> 02:30:58,930
electric technology an electric

3322
02:31:04,740 --> 02:31:02,470
spacecraft and finally after 50 years of

3323
02:31:07,140 --> 02:31:04,750
suppression we are going to go that way

3324
02:31:09,150 --> 02:31:07,150
Chris you want to take this to another

3325
02:31:10,230 --> 02:31:09,160
direction or what well I think I think

3326
02:31:13,930 --> 02:31:10,240
this is a

3327
02:31:16,780 --> 02:31:13,940
perfect illustration of of how oil

3328
02:31:19,030 --> 02:31:16,790
companies are hedging their bets if you

3329
02:31:20,710 --> 02:31:19,040
go out and try to buy solar panels let's

3330
02:31:24,580 --> 02:31:20,720
say you want to be off the grid and

3331
02:31:27,610 --> 02:31:24,590
build a you know a DC solar system

3332
02:31:30,310 --> 02:31:27,620
guess who owns all the manufacturing

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02:31:32,261 --> 02:31:30,320
facilities to make solar panels the oil

3334
02:31:33,761 --> 02:31:32,271
companies so I think that they're

3335
02:31:37,630 --> 02:31:33,771
they're seeing the writing on the wall

3336
02:31:40,511 --> 02:31:37,640
to some degree and an are diversifying

3337
02:31:43,660 --> 02:31:40,521
and getting into wind and solar and

3338
02:31:46,060 --> 02:31:43,670
other types of clean energy because at

3339
02:31:48,520 --> 02:31:46,070
some point David you're right it this

3340
02:31:50,620 --> 02:31:48,530
whole petroleum based economy has has

3341
02:31:53,110 --> 02:31:50,630
got some real problems as we're seeing

3342
02:31:55,750 --> 02:31:53,120
you know currently in the Gulf and I

3343
02:31:57,820 --> 02:31:55,760
just hope it's sooner rather than later

3344
02:31:59,530 --> 02:31:57,830
I think that the devastation that's

3345
02:32:03,850 --> 02:31:59,540
going on ecologically on the planet

3346
02:32:05,560 --> 02:32:03,860
because of oil you know I the plan is

3347
02:32:08,800 --> 02:32:05,570
going to be okay but I you know could

3348
02:32:10,360 --> 02:32:08,810
really adversely impact billions of

3349
02:32:13,660 --> 02:32:10,370
people on the planet if this doesn't

3350
02:32:16,930 --> 02:32:13,670
change so well and I mean exactly what I

3351
02:32:21,180 --> 02:32:16,940
mean this ecological disaster is is

3352
02:32:25,320 --> 02:32:21,190
really drawn the attention of you know

3353
02:32:30,280 --> 02:32:25,330
not just America the entire planet on

3354
02:32:33,430 --> 02:32:30,290
you know how bad this oil based economy

3355
02:32:35,710 --> 02:32:33,440
is and how we really need to change and

3356
02:32:38,740 --> 02:32:35,720
even you know Obama has made you know

3357
02:32:40,270 --> 02:32:38,750
speeches to that effect and this is in

3358
02:32:42,940 --> 02:32:40,280
many ways I think a turning point you

3359
02:32:45,580 --> 02:32:42,950
know for us and technologically so now

3360
02:32:47,410 --> 02:32:45,590
all right let's look at what we can do

3361
02:32:50,200 --> 02:32:47,420
in the remaining couple of minutes here

3362
02:32:52,120 --> 02:32:50,210
to get the evidence we need is it going

3363
02:32:54,790 --> 02:32:52,130
to all depend on the government telling

3364
02:32:57,520 --> 02:32:54,800
us on the crypto to rescues or et

3365
02:32:59,680 --> 02:32:57,530
telling us or is there something we fo

3366
02:33:04,511 --> 02:32:59,690
can do about it well we need some

3367
02:33:09,600 --> 02:33:04,521
whistleblowers well right and it's so

3368
02:33:14,650 --> 02:33:09,610
much of it is is people being informed

3369
02:33:17,700 --> 02:33:14,660
seeing through the the sort of black fog

3370
02:33:23,469 --> 02:33:17,710
that they've put out to UM

3371
02:33:28,960 --> 02:33:23,479
you skate so much of what's going on the

3372
02:33:31,080 --> 02:33:28,970
whole UFO mystery is is is so

3373
02:33:38,410 --> 02:33:31,090
complicated there's so much

3374
02:33:42,280 --> 02:33:38,420
misinformation wrong information it's

3375
02:33:46,870 --> 02:33:42,290
seen through all this it's difficult but

3376
02:33:49,840 --> 02:33:46,880
as we shows like this I think and more

3377
02:33:51,429 --> 02:33:49,850
and more researchers coming out and in

3378
02:33:53,290 --> 02:33:51,439
people in the government hopefully and

3379
02:33:56,830 --> 02:33:53,300
even in the oil companies you know being

3380
02:33:59,080 --> 02:33:56,840
whistleblowers coming out and ultimately

3381
02:34:02,200 --> 02:33:59,090
people seeing for themselves these new

3382
02:34:05,530 --> 02:34:02,210
technologies that seem so fantastic and

3383
02:34:07,929 --> 02:34:05,540
yet you know in many cases are 50 60 70

3384
02:34:10,210 --> 02:34:07,939
even 80 years old but still get secret

3385
02:34:12,580 --> 02:34:10,220
well maybe it'll come to pass we have

3386
02:34:14,290 --> 02:34:12,590
just a few moments left David Childress

3387
02:34:16,479 --> 02:34:14,300
would you tell our listeners where they

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02:34:18,880 --> 02:34:16,489
can find more about the stuff that you

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02:34:22,960 --> 02:34:18,890
write about the things you do you know

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02:34:26,950 --> 02:34:22,970
we have a catalog that we send out and

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02:34:29,740 --> 02:34:26,960
extensive web pages with many of my

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02:34:32,200 --> 02:34:29,750
books and other DVDs and then other

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02:34:37,090 --> 02:34:32,210
people's as well they can find that it

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02:34:38,740 --> 02:34:37,100
adventures on limited press.com and see

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02:34:41,290 --> 02:34:38,750
our online store there's there's all

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02:34:44,679 --> 02:34:41,300
kinds we import books from England

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Australia and other areas and they can

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02:34:52,929 --> 02:34:49,130
write to us too at p.o box 74 Kempton

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Illinois 609 four six and yeah we send

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02:34:59,019 --> 02:34:56,000
out a 70 page catalog of all kinds of

3401
02:35:00,880 --> 02:34:59,029
cool books and DVDs alright and we'll be

3402
02:35:02,800 --> 02:35:00,890
exploring more of your books in the near

3403
02:35:06,429 --> 02:35:02,810
future what is your latest title by the

3404
02:35:08,290 --> 02:35:06,439
way well my last two books are one is

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called lost cities of ancient mysteries

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02:35:13,599 --> 02:35:10,420
of the southwest and it's all about

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unusual things and Texas New Mexico

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Arizona Colorado and Nevada and

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California and then my most recent book

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02:35:25,890 --> 02:35:22,899
which just came out in February is a

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cryptozoology title which is called

3412
02:35:32,490 --> 02:35:30,070
Yeti Sasquatch and hairy giants and that

3413
02:35:36,920 --> 02:35:32,500
reflects a lot of my interest and

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02:35:39,841 --> 02:35:36,930
travels to Nepal and Tibet India

3415
02:35:41,430 --> 02:35:39,851
Mongolian stuff looking for yetis and

3416
02:35:44,130 --> 02:35:41,440
and and stuff here in the United States

3417
02:35:46,230 --> 02:35:44,140
as well now tell you this my wife does

3418
02:35:48,930 --> 02:35:46,240
not call me a hairy giant by the way

3419
02:35:50,520 --> 02:35:48,940
just want to correct the record there so

3420
02:35:54,150 --> 02:35:50,530
Brian where do you find more of the

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02:35:56,310 --> 02:35:54,160
things you do well I am published by

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02:35:58,890 --> 02:35:56,320
David's uh publishing company Adventures

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unlimited press also I have my own

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website called called our strange planet

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we live on a strange planet it doesn't

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want to me or you it's our strange

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planet calm and there you can find you

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02:36:16,261 --> 02:36:13,840
know the quite an extensive listing of

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my articles and stories that I post from

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around the world and also my complete

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database for my many years investigating

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the San Luis Valley in Colorado and you

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02:36:28,020 --> 02:36:25,150
can find us at the para cast com that's

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where the th e Lapera Casco where you

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02:36:33,210 --> 02:36:31,210
can download free of charge over 200

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episodes of the show check out our

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02:36:41,730 --> 02:36:38,920
forum dot the para cast com special

3439
02:36:43,950 --> 02:36:41,740
thanks to David Hatcher Childress and of

3440
02:36:46,110 --> 02:36:43,960
course our co-host Chris O'Brien thank

3441
02:36:49,620 --> 02:36:46,120
you both for joining us this week on the

3442
02:36:52,200 --> 02:36:49,630
power cast thanks gene thanks Chris yeah

3443
02:36:56,880 --> 02:36:52,210
yeah thank you so much David for being

3444
02:36:58,280 --> 02:36:56,890
on a podcast is a copyrighted

3445
02:37:01,110 --> 02:36:58,290
presentation of making the impossible